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    Posted: 16 Aug 07 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by NickA

UV isn't a problem if it's inside the jib luff -though I guess I'd better worry about the halyard which is out there on the mast rain and shinem (50% strength loss over 3 years apparently... and it would be nasty if it snapped!

the solution there is to attach an old bit of 3 strand to the end of your jib halyard when the boat is ashore then pull the halyard up. now all your nice expensive string is hidden inside mast/under cover so UV isnt a problem. you can get your halyard back when you want to sail by pulling on old bit of 3 strand. obviously you wouldnt leave the old bit of string on when you were sailing as it would add too much weight and windage.



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Stick to wire, or PBO if you have the funds to burn.

Keep the V212/D12 for high-load running rigging. works great for kickers, downhauls, trapeze wires, etc.
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What is PBO for those less informed?
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It's a synthetic cable that is covered with a pvc sheath to protect it. Very light, very strong, and virtually no stretch or creep. I think the numbers I've been quoted are something like 1/5th the weight of wire with about 2 or 3 times the strength.

The only problem with it on dinghys at the moment is the terminators, which are quite beefy stainless "compression joint" things. Vary cool stuff though.

http://www.oceanyachtsystems.co.uk/PBO.html

 
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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

What is PBO for those less informed?

Polybenzoxazole. A really strong, low stretch, low creep, lightweight fibre.

It's woeful at sharp turns and sunlight though.

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Just let you know that I've used vectran on my first i14 :

4 mm for the forestay

3 mm shrouds and caps

4 mm lowers

My Cherub has know the same. It has been a hassle to get them strech but after a few time its fine know.

Advantages : far easier to change by yourself, cheeper than cable, ligher

Disadvantages : strech at the beginning and presumly all its life but slower, not obvious to check, can be damage by flapping on the road.
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So it is possible. Still big question marks over damage (cutting) of standing rigging in my mind. Guytoon mentions trailing - hadn't thought of that one, but then, a wire thimble doesn't take kindly to a scrape up the M1 , we've found.

Aside: I always thought the loads on the shrouds were higher than on the forestay, so if 3mm sufficed for the shrouds I'd try less on the forestay.

Actually, I've been using 2.5mm V12 (Vectran) 2:1'd on my 3000 jib halyard for a season no probs. Haven't noticed the tension going off over time, but maybe after all this talk I should measure before and after racing?! (But how will I know if it's the rigging or the hull creeping?)
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Aside: I always thought the loads on the shrouds were higher than on the forestay...

You thought right.

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

...maybe after all this talk I should measure (rig tension) before and after racing?!

Right, but anyone who's serious about their racing should be doing this anyway.
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Originally posted by Roy Race

Right, but anyone who's serious about their racing should be doing this anyway.

Being serious and being idle clearly don't mix . Maybe I don't really want to know there's a problem...
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

But how will I know if it's the rigging or the hull creeping?

You won't. I've known some old wood boats with steel shrouds lose a quite astonishing amount of rig tension after a windy race in lumpy water.
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