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    Posted: 08 Oct 12 at 4:20pm
... and having my arse truly handed to me.  Although tbh, it was less embarrassing than the stupid boat that didn't float that I had at the same time.   LOL  
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Racing it definitely sounds a bit "committed" for now, especially on what looks like a little, shifty lake. All credit too you for running it round with the dinghies though.
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I actually get a perverse pleasure out of heading upwind and really working the board and feeling the wind, then blasting downwind arching gybes, rather than the 180 deg turns at the end of a square reach... but that makes me a little odd compared to the average 'grooverider', their all-hallowed 'reaching line' and their ultimate goal- a planing carve gybe rather than just making it round without falling off.

I've found the Starboard Carve one of the best for upwind work, although my technique has improved enormously, and it's a very forgiving board, so all-in-all, I'm happy with it as a combo for me.  It pays to test them if you can, but Starboard is the 'modern Laser' coveted so often on here as the general recommendation for a newbie.  The will also hold their value reasonable and you can P/Ex them if you want to move into a different direction- maybe a full-on longboard (why oh why, dinghy sailing is superior...) or Freestyle.  Pretty much slalom, speed and formula are out of the picture inland.  

No modern board will hold the same angles as a dinghy, but then I found that with the Kona too.  It takes time and practice to get the board planing upwind on the fin, but it's not impossible and when it happens, well it's just an amazing feeling.... I guess as close as I'm going to get first flight in a foiling moth.  As for the rest of the time inland... frequent yourself with this, this is what you need to learn and understand and the sooner you practice it, the sooner it will become second nature:



They won't race either... but then racing boards against dinghies is a daft arse thing to do.   Embarrassed




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So it pays to choose correctly in the first place then.

And to keep an eye out for a Kona or similar.

Can the kind of stuff you describe still find its way upwind or is it purely reach-gybe-reach behaviour? 
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Well put it this way... if I could arsed to changed my board in Spain- a 175L tank (Starboard Rio Small), I would.  But it's simply not worth the hassle of trying to sell it in a foreign country and buying a new board is a PITA as it all has to be ordered and delivered to a set time... 

Ideally I would swap it for a 140L board as this gives a little more volume for the light winds and restricted access waters (marina setting) to the sea.  I have one sail out there, a 7.5 Natural.  If I could up this to an 8.5 I'd also be happy... but that requires a new mast and boom, so again, not worth the aggro. 
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OK, so sounds like I don't want to go as tank like as I thought then.

It's all pie in the sky at the moment but I am currently looking at about between £120-£200 per use of the dart at the moment!!
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HI Simon,

Yes, 140L in a standard freeride board is easily uphaul territory.  I sail a 121L Carve and can uphaul simply enough at 95kg, but I used to have a 140L and 155L and these were more than easy... so 140L for you is no probs.  

200L barn doors... you'll be flogging it and buying a laser before you know it (and you wouldn't be wrong to do so).

As for the Kona in Graeme's suggestion... yep, it's a much bigger volume, but the stepped hull makes a difference to performance over a beginner board.  I loved my brief escapades with one, I think it really is the ultimate board for dinghy sailors without going down the purely beginner route.  But they look ridiculous, suffer from late planing and are a bitch to carry around as they're so heavy.  If you do buy one, do not buy the rig... it's sh*t and goes better with a modern sail on it.

 
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A couple of basic buyer's guide recommendations:

Volume = take your weight 85kg, a neutral board would therefore be around 95L (+10kg for wetsuit, rig etc).  Inland +30L on this is really the minimum for a 'big board'.  Although the width that comes with an extra 10L in the 140L category would be advantageous as it offers some extra stability.  

Width - I'd avoid anything much wider than 80cm, once a board goes wider it might be seeming feel more stable to uphaul, but once on the plane it bounces around like a bitch unless you've got your feet in the outboard strap positions (which is just not nice and a bit too much like hard work) 

Freeride/Freestyle/Wave/Formula/Slalom - stick with freeride categories as a beginner, avoid Slalom and Formula as these are too specialised and technical to sail, even if the volume is higher on them.  If you're light enough, then big freestyle boards can make good 'big' boards for coastal sailors.... personally I'd stick with the freeride ranges though.

SDM/RDM - standard/reduced mast thickness, I use Ezzy RDMs on Ezzy Sails, but this is really unique amongst beginner/improvers  and pretty marmite amongst the experienced.  I'd stick with SDM masts on normal 6.0m+ sails.  

Luff Curve / Mast Match - if possible stick with the same brand of sail to mast, it's simpler that way.  I'd recommend Tushingham or North over Pryde purely because of price vs value you'll gain.  Tushy's tend to be very forgiving to poor rigging, which is a good thing.  If I didn't use Ezzy Sails, I'd probably use Tush.

North Naturals are good all-round sails if you fancy spending a bit more, but I've found Prydes and Severnes to be really twitchy, needs loads of rigging time and a bit vulnerable to damage- other folks love them though.   

Harness - seat or waist... hmm, if you've done a lot of trapezing in dinghies the seat will feel more natural at first.  But waist harnesses are simpler in the longer term and more comfortable as you learn to move around the board.

Boom - make sure your boom has a range to cover the sails you've bought.  A 180-230 should cover most 6.0m/8.0m inland quivers, but do check.  

UJ - get standard mast foot pin, and avoid the North Ratchet mast bases... windsurfing is about simplification, not fannying around.
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If you can get hold of a Kona, it'll serve your purpose quite well, it has a daggerboard, and a stepped hull, which when windy gives the feeling of a short planing board, it's got a useful volume and can be used as a Stand Up Paddle type board if there is no wind. They'll get a lick on as well if it's breezy, I had 27 kts out of one once on inland water, definitely worth a look.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey

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I'd recommend a Starboard Carve at around 140L- this is a good all round board.  You will probably need an 8m sail for inland too, partner this with a 6.0m for windy and the first few sessions.  You'll soon get another one even smaller when you're proficient enough to go out when the 'yella wellies' are busying themselves adding more metal, wire, filler and rope to their dinghies.  


OK, is 140L enough for a comfortable uphaul at my weight. Seen estimates anywhere from 150 to 200+ litres?

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One major word of caution... windsurfing inland can be very frustrating.  Is it better than not sailing at all? No, probably not, but you'll be needing something else to do when you've stopped staring at the trees wishing the feckers were moving more.

I've got a motorcycle for those days! I was more thinking on those days when I wake up and see wiggling trees out of the window I could nip down on a Saturday morning for a couple of hours of exercise and cruising about and be home in time for elevenses!
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