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    Posted: 14 Aug 12 at 10:15pm
Patj - the Albacore was a consideration: Dad had one down in Chichester a few (er, quite a few) years back. And the Merlin rated highly from what I saw, too...

And Notl: Small issues with complete beginner in a single-hander - getting a boat is not just for me to sail: it's for us to learn. And dark deck? A sorted boat design? The laser (call me judgemental) can't ever be either of those... I used to sail a Topper - best individual result was 10th in the Worlds in Dubai - and I wouldn't go back to a characterless plastic tub like that... Fun, but there's more to sailing than a mass-produced injection-moulded design. If I had to go to a single-hander, it'd be a Solo (never sailed one, but they're beautiful and look to be well enough sorted) or a Finn (a sorted boat, and there's family history there...)

In the end, we've gone for an old (and very cheap) Fireball: It has a few issues, may only last a year or so, but seems a good learning tool to start off the foray into dinghy sailing (and racing) at club level. If/when we decide to go for a newer boat, there's a lot of potential classes to move to, or stay with the Fireball. All good: that's a decision for then, not now...
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If it needs to be not white plastic then the Merlin Rocket or a wooden boat is still top of the list as you can paint it any colour you like. Or buy a grey one (with all grey ropes) like the dinghy show exhibit!

I thought I wouldn't enjoy crewing the Albacore after the Merlin because there was no spinnaker but I was wrong and it's a roomy boat good at most locations so don't rule out two-sail dinghies.
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I would get a standard Laser each.

The Laser is the "Boat of Truth"

Easy to sail but very hard to master.

It is an Olympic class and you cannot blame the crew.

If you really want to know the truth and improve get a one design single hander.


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Originally posted by andrewwilde

(a development class - I assume expensive to be competitive, ever moving goal-posts?).

Largely a myth. Consumables like sails and so on get used at much the same rate and much the same cost in any class. Competetive lifespan is pretty long too. If you compare the ages of the boats at the front of the fleet in development and one design classes they don't in general seem to be very different. No dount lots of people will be along to claim that their class is uniquely cheap or something, and the Twelves have got a bit of development on with trick winged rudders at the moment.
Fireball or 12 ought to be an easy decision as they are utterly different in equipment:-)
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Thanks for all the advice.

There are a few Fireballs at the club, but just the one racing (thanks for the tip to look at results, wouldn’t have thought of that...)

There are a good few Enterprises (first impression are a bit heavy?) and a reasonable fleet of an N12's (a development class - I assume expensive to be competitive, ever moving goal-posts?). There are a lot of RS’s of various forms, but they’re all white or light decks: Pity, there’s some nice boats in that stable...

There’s no Merlins or Scorpions, though they’re both beautiful boats – thanks for the advice, I’ll look into what the Open circuit is like and what’s on Apollo Duck to get an idea of prices... Another option is the Miracle? But again, none at the club...

Most of the racing we’d be doing, at least for a year or so, is a Weds evening pursuit race. Entries from 45 upwards on most weeks, so there would be a number of boats to pit ourselves against, even if not a direct comparison. Though I take on board the weather conditions being advantageous to some but not others...

Right. Now to look at getting aboat. There's a few for sale at the moment, here's hoping we strike it lucky...
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If nothing takes your fancy at the club already, I'd agree about the Fireball. £500 should get you something which stays together, but will likely be a bit heavy and have tired sails. Get you started, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GybeFunny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 12 at 11:47am
I agree with others, look at results of races at your chosen club to see which classes are best represented on the water (no point buying a Fireball if there are 100 at the club but only 1 ever sails).
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As you have decided on a club, I would strongly suggest looking at the boats already there, looking at the people who sail them, and ask yourself 'who do I most want to race against?'
You will get up to speed much faster if you have direct comparison of people racing the same class of boat. You know your improvement is real and not just some fluke of yardstick. At least look for comparable boats, you don't want to be disadvantaged all the time except the one day a year the course and wind suits your boat. E.g Fireballs are great for a) racing other Fireballs, and b) Windy days.
Also look at the class association, are there opens you might want to do? Is there any coaching? Are they supportive of old boats?
Look also for availability of secondhand sails, some classes there is a ready trade, other not. This can help a lot if you are trying to upgrade on a budget.

spending £500 on something that falls apart or is impossible to sell may be more expensive than spending £1500 on something you can sell on easily. We paid £3500 for our RS400 five or so years ago, you might get one of the same standard for £2500 now. It can still do very welll against brand new ones. That is cheap sailing. Although you have to weigh in the odd sail, insurance, a new cover, boat park fees etc etc.
Don't dismiss the asymmetrics, although it's less string, the skill of getting the most out it is still there, and the tactical aspect of downwind is good. And it's fast and fun. But if the main opposition is Merlins, get a Merlin. It's about having people to race against mostly.
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Merlin Rocket ticks most of those boxes (apart from the trapeze) - would have had one myself when I was in your situation but the missus wasn't happy with the idea of me spending hours maintaining a wooden boat....!

They're a lot prettier that Fireballs as well, and have a lot more space to move around in.





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