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    Posted: 15 Jun 12 at 1:58am

Oh and maybe shorten your toe straps a bit. You lose a tiny bit of power in the gusts but suddenly it's about 500% easier to get back in the boat in a hurry when the need arises.

And to go with your eased kicker set your jib cars back / up. When the wind is all over you need to be able to accelerate ASAP when it increases. Keeping the slot open helps this, and also minimises the odds of everything stalling out when you ease the main, which you will probably be doing by the armful in the gusts.

If you are overpowered use outhaul, downhaul and mast bend to take the sting out of it and keep the boat upriight, but try to keep lots of twist in both main and jib for the reasons outlined earlier.

I know I said don't play with the sail controls but if there is a very big variation in wind strength between gusts and lulls then the cunningham can be useful as it depowers the main massively in the gusts, more so than any other single control probably. If you sail into a "proper" hole then do try and ease it quickly to put some energy back into the rig.

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Where we sail it's notorious for these sort of effects due to the surrounding hills. When the wind is in the worst direction a F4 can be virtually unsailable due to the ferocity of the gusts and the huge changes in direction, not to mention downdraughts.

There's no magic bullet I'm afraid, but lots of little things you can do that help you to survive. As noted earlier, don't try to point too high. If you are right on the wind then it takes a much smaller header to back the sails and have you swimming. If it's consistently random then sail a for speed instead with the jib pulling hard and the main eased over the corner of the transom in the gusts.

Ease the kicker to keep a bit of twist in the main which stops it "blading out" so rapidly, and try and get out of the habit of bearing away in the lulls to try and make the sails fill. All you do is worsen the tendency of the boat to roll to windward. When a lull or header hits pull yourself back in the boat by the mainsheet not the tiller, and if anything try and make the boat head up as you do so. This steering action helps to stop the boat screwing off, and tactically makes more sense - if it's a lull it's right to head up and coast upwind for a moment or two, if it's a header it gets you on your way to the tack you maybe ought to be thinking about.

Try and read each change - is it a lull or a header? In 10 or 20 seconds time it'll become obvious but if you train yourself to guess earlier and analyse when you are right and when you are wrong you will subconsciously train yourself to pick up what's going on earlier.

Try and look for patterns. Sometimes it's totally random but often you can establish some sort of rule that the wind is following more times than it isn't. Look at the surrounding obstacles and try and think about what effect they will have on the wind when it increases or drops. Often the gusts bring the true (ie forecast) wind direction, then in the lulls it is more easily distracted and blows from a different direction. If you can work out that the gusts tend to shift the wind the same way you can make sure you are on the lifting tack as they hit you (or just after, at worst!)

But most of all, look around. Don't even think about messing with sail controls, in these conditions they won't matter a bit. Before the start trim everything for acceleration and then try and sail the boat on auto-pilot whilst you apply the bulk of your attention to working out what the weather is doing, where the strongest breeze is, and what is happening in the next gust / lull. If there are other boats upwind of you keep looking to see whats happening to them. If you see the boat ahead being pinned over by a big lift you can have the sheets eased and be heading up before it even hits you and gain a couple of lengths to windward. Conversely, if he gets a massive header you can think about tacking before it gets to you and then you get a lift instead. And so on.

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Originally posted by ham4sand

there was something about fast boats in gusts and lulls upwind in the bethwaite books wasnt there? something like slow boats see it coming, fast boats suffer, faster boats sail through them to the other side before noticing
Yeah that's what I'm confused about now. In the Bethwaite boat there was a bit about kite's backing as the boat pushes on faster than the wind in a lull but then you get the really fast boats that go much faster than the wind. Surely their sails should back too - which they don't.

Perhaps it's all to do with angles. My head hurts. 
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there was something about fast boats in gusts and lulls upwind in the bethwaite books wasnt there? something like slow boats see it coming, fast boats suffer, faster boats sail through them to the other side before noticing
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 12 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...


is that working for you at BSC with MPS? Or have you moved clubs yet?

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it depends on the gusts...sometimes they are big down-drafts, in which case the wind fans out as it hits the water, causing direction changes that are far more problematical than the changes in velocity.

Have a read here for more about downdrafts and velocity headers

If not, the wind range you describe should see you at least fully powered at all times - it's then just a matter of fast hands, easing to depower and re-sheeting in the lulls. Also, remember that grabbing anything handy and pulling yourself to leeward as the boat heels to ww, exacerbates the problem by pulling the boat on top of you. Sometimes it is better, in extremis, to let the water, helped by your buoyancy aid, take your weight and yes I know doing this will slow the boat. Less pleasant to do when the water is 1 degree C tho.

And if it is really silly, there are times where the expedient thing to do is not to hike to the max because it inhibits your ability to respond to a big lull but to sail more conservatively, aka badly. This is known as a bad-practice day - don't let it lure you into bad habits!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 12 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...

Are you sure about that? My impression is that they are magnified. Sail fast enough into a big enough hole and your own apparent will backwind the jib and push the boat on top of you.
I'm definitely not saying your wrong but wouldn't that then happen to any boat that was sailing faster than the true wind?
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Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...

Are you sure about that? My impression is that they are magnified. Sail fast enough into a big enough hole and your own apparent will backwind the jib and push the boat on top of you.
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Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...


is that working for you at BSC with MPS? Or have you moved clubs yet?
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buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...
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