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    Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 6:42pm

Having just switched from single handed to double handed I was a bit unsure about finding crews.  My wife was more certain; she said I was an idiot!

It seems to me that the really talented helms rarely have a problem finding crews.  I am not in that category so instead I opted for a boat that would be fun to sail (i.e. fast) and yet not too challenging for a relatively inexperienced crew. 

So far I have had more offers to crew than I can cope with and my now regular Wednesday crew, who was on rescue boat duty last week, even arranged his own deputy (before I had a chance to do so myself). 

Learning to sail a new boat with crews of variable and unknown ability is interesting and actually quite good fun even though it can lead to some pretty inconsistent results.  However, going as fast as a modern Merlin upwind in a Force 4 and then overtaking it on a spinnaker reach (them, not us, obviously) is a new and quite pleasant experience for me (crew seemed to enjoy it too) and makes it all worthwhile.

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Nice- well there you go. Learned something new today :-)
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do you use it when single handing Mike?

Naturally !  ... and I can't lose it either.  Would be much tougher without.

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Originally posted by pondmonkey

do you use it when single handing Mike?

No reason why not: I have one on my Canoe.
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do you use it when single handing Mike?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 3:36pm
I'd forgoted Graduates used dangly pole as well and there must be others coming along ...  To anyone who has never tried one either because they have not had access to a boat so equipped  or they have a spinnaker of some description  -  do try one if you get a chance.

Their use can be very simple or if you want you can get quite technical.  On Icon my crew loves the thing and frequently plays the jib at all angles except close hauled with both sheet and 'dangleline' control.  It allows him to have total control of leach tension and he can 'feed' the main on the fly constantly.  If you get it in the groove the boat accelerates away - no we could not go back to doing without a dangly now - no never.  Think of it like a kicker for jibs - now think what your main would be like without a proper kicker ... now do you get it  ? 

The key thing is that it not only makes the jib area more effective - more critically in my opinion it makes the main so much more efficient.   It can be made to work with and maintain real flow over the main to much much deeper angles than without,   negating much of the impact that the alternative spinnaker would imply.  You set up the tension so the flow is optimised around the mast and onto the main.  Sounds techie but in practice you can tell very quickly what works .. you just feel the difference so crew do not need to have any great theoretical understanding  - they just quickly learn what works by feel and obvious effect (and important especially with younger crew ... . they just cannot lose that  jib-stick' over the side !!  

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+1 Mike, we use Dangly poles in Graduates and its very simle for even my 6 year old to deploy (with a little help) it also transforms the downwind performance.

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Good explanation Mike 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 1:55pm
As for the dangly-pole, for all its technical merits for inclusion, it does seem to fly in the face of the simplicity ethos the rest of boat seems to get so right.

It is just about the easiest system possible on any boat out there - you cannot have used one in anger !

 Ask the N12, Albacores, Ents etc who all use them... it just makes ithe rig more efficient and greatly enhances the overall efficiency of any 2-sail boat.  I was wrong originally and 'they' were right - it is one of the best innovations (now increasingly used) of the last couple of decades and has made the transition form curiosity to adoption across many classes.  It would not have become widespread if it was awkward or required crew to use something they were not easy with....

Besides - it does assist Icon  to be as quick or quicker than many of the 'lessor' asymetrics in many conditions and the entire rig was designed and optimised around it - The system was not retro-fitted on an exisitng design an d in this respect Icon might be unique.    The Icon ethos as you correctly identify is simplicity with pace and dangle poles would not have gone from the 'try it out list' to  the end specification without being brilliant.  And remember - if you have totally novice crew you they do not have to use it at all ... compare that flexibility with an asymetric or symetrical spinnaker where it really is 'all or nothing'.  Not knocking spinnakers but Icon is simply not aimed at that market area.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 12 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by r2d2

 

that's the understatement of the day/week/month etc!  Cant think of three more different guys and reasons and as for complex well...

LOL although all three would probably agree it needed a smaller kite for what they wanted.  All three might actually think the two rigs, sorry thee rigs, turned out to be a bit of nightmare in a club PY scenario, and all three would happily be sailing Blazes if there was others to race against.  In fact two of the three are... if you count the EPS and short-term stepping stone back to one again.  Wink
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