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    Posted: 08 Jun 12 at 10:27am
In some cases dacron is now more expensive than the cheaper mylar laminates.  It is also a very under rated material probably because it isn't black and sexy.  The good news for the sport is that because the laminates are getting cheaper this should in theory filter down to the likes of 3dl etc and make them more affordable.  The important word being "should"!

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on the B14s, it was the Aussies that started the dacron jib trend (and won a worlds with one, thus making them a "must-have" naturally). There were North, Ullman and Dynamic versions in use at the nationals. As I understand it, it's for reduced cost at certainly no reduction in lifespan- North are rather keen to push them to try to offset the eye-wateringly expensive 3DL main.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fudheid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 12 at 8:51pm
yes i'll go with that.
There is of course a cost benefit of dacron. Either way if you are serious racer type and you have an overlapping jib (genoa) tehn no matter what it is made of it will get shagged pretty quickly Smile. The 8m now tend towards dacron to try to get some extra longevity ( with an overlap of 4.7m it does'nt really work in shape terms).
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My understanding behind having dacron jibs in these instances is that when you have a large jib which touches the mast during tacks then, laminate jibs tend to delaminate due to the impacts against the mast. Dacron survives this much better. The fireballs and GPs have I believe tended towards the same setup.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fudheid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 12 at 11:48am
Originally posted by olly_love

the dacron jib works well in the b14 where the jib area is large and constantly adjusted, as it moves slightly and is easier to read,
also thats high performace dacron so its as stiff as a board
that reads like an oxymoron, the dacron is a stiff as a board but easier to read? how is it easier to read isn't that what camber stripes and telltales are for? that latest generation of film (for laminates) is as soft or softer than polykote dacron.
This is discounted if you have a hyde sail as they have 'special' cloth made exclusively for them which is slightly stiffer. Read into 'special' what you want LOL
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Originally posted by alstorer

GRF- the "computer variable mould" you mention is part of North's 3DL technology as I understand it. I think they now have a smaller rig they use separately for the dinghy sails?

A 3DL main was used by the B14 that won our recent nationals- shown on the left here



North tried  making dinghy sails on the yacht mould but couldn't generate the shape. so they developed a smaller mould for keel boats and dinghys. 
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the dacron jib works well in the b14 where the jib area is large and constantly adjusted, as it moves slightly and is easier to read,
also thats high performace dacron so its as stiff as a board
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GybeFunny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 12 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by alstorer

GRF- the "computer variable mould" you mention is part of North's 3DL technology as I understand it. I think they now have a smaller rig they use separately for the dinghy sails?

A 3DL main was used by the B14 that won our recent nationals- shown on the left here


I find that picture interesting as they have a 3DL main and a dacron jib yet the other boat has laminate main and jib.  Confused
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3DL main and a dacron jib. Progress!  Confused
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GRF- the "computer variable mould" you mention is part of North's 3DL technology as I understand it. I think they now have a smaller rig they use separately for the dinghy sails?

A 3DL main was used by the B14 that won our recent nationals- shown on the left here


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