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    Posted: 30 Oct 11 at 9:33pm
I am probably a good target market for the mixed multi-hull. Our next High Performance boat most likely will be a cat, I sail with my partner and we sail skiffs at the moment. Seems like the logical progression and we'd have the potential to campaign seriously. I've sailed the Tornado in the past and although I like the boat, if it got selected for the Olympic slot, we'd buy an F18 as the Olympic slot would not be enough for us to consider the boat over an F18. Something along the lines of a F16 derivative may have us though.
 
This is just my gut reaction, and I admire the efforts going into to get the Tor' back, but I think it's a backward step. Technology and design has moved on a bit, maybe multi's at the Olympics need to. Any high performance cat will give you good footage at the Olympics, and my instincts are, although you can do a Tor' on the cheap, can you really win on one. Yes you can get a really good one and it lasts for ages, but I recall from a while back, getting the right one wasn't that easy. Things could have changed though. Sorry to be the pesamist. 
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Overstating a bit to call it the Perfect boat for mixed crews.
I would say that the Tornado class is proving that it is POSSIBLE to sail with a mixed crew.
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Originally posted by JimC

Seems obvious enough to me: the BMW M3 seems widely regarded as a very good car, but is not, I submit, an obvious choice as a small family car. Shouldn't be hard to extrapolate from there...
Well, Jim, you've made comments about whether an M3 (I see you've made your mind up now about which M Series) is suitable as a family car. And then rather than put these on a motoring forum you've chosen to post under this thread. 

Assuming you not done this by accident and have a point to make, I'm going to assume it's a negative one. Extrapolation by most definitions is difficult with only one point made. Could you elaborate as to whether you think the Tornado is unsuitable because:

1) Mixed crews will be unable to sail it due to reduced combined crew weight?
2) Mixed crews will not have the skill level required?
3) Mixed crews cannot afford it?
4) Mixed crews don't have any desire to sail high performance catamarans?

You may have other reservations or none at all. It's difficult to tell.
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Originally posted by a_dowley

Thanks for the explanation Jim. 

What are your reasons behind thinking the Tornado is not a suitable boat for Olympic Mixed Sailing? It would be great to hear more.


Suitable is not quite the same thing as perfect! And if the big T was perfect for all male teams up to the point it was dropped, it seems unlikely that it's also perfect for mixed teams with a significant lower (albeit ISAF-suggested) target weight.

No axe to grind here, but as JimC has implied, perfect is a bold claim.
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The advantage of the Tornado is that it lasts. If Im correct the Austrians boat was doing its 3rd Olympics In Beijing and the boat used by the Australians was doing its 2nd. So once a hull is bought then its a suit of sails which is a fixed price from Ullman a year and the entry fees per year.
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I'm a little bit surprised at the claimed material cost of 2,000 to 4,000 Euros per year to campaign a Tornado. I imagined it would have be higher than that.
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Thanks for the explanation Jim. 

What are your reasons behind thinking the Tornado is not a suitable boat for Olympic Mixed Sailing? It would be great to hear more.
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But a Tornado is not an obvious choice for a family boat either, and correct me if I'm wrong, but ISAF are looking for a racing boat not one that you can take the kids out on...
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Seems obvious enough to me: the BMW M3 seems widely regarded as a very good car, but is not, I submit, an obvious choice as a small family car. Shouldn't be hard to extrapolate from there...
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Originally posted by JimC

Next Topic: the BMW M Series, and why its the perfect small family car...
Unhelpful comment , Jim. Borderline trolling. Can you explain what you meant, please?

Multihulls are trying to regain their place as part of Olympic sailing. If the idea of mixed crews helps in this regard then I'm all for it.
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