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    Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 6:05pm

TT :- that’s fair enough if that’s the way in - via the transom then the foot loop will be fitted asap when I get back.

It is knackering & like luca in post 2 or 3 I was laughing about my predicament.( laughing in the face of death!!! )

It is just that in ALL other boats that I have sailed I have NEVER had this much of a problem getting into a boat and sailing away ever!! as Russ said on page 2? the 300 is actually a civilized boat in this respect & compared in MY experience a easier boat to remount.

TT:- of course the boat floats high, it's a single sealed unit with a beam of 1.83m! -- The blaze seems to float in a more civilized manner with a decent sized cockpit beam without wing appox 1.7  - 2  Mtr? -- ready to be corrected on that.

The situation may will have been compounded by the sea movement but it was not a problem In my Phantom.

Asterix :- isn't the 100 mast closed/sealed anyway? -- mine seemed to have a lot of water in it but was upside down when tutled for a couple of mintues but turned over in less then 30 seconds.I think the wave action helped this along & doubt if it would have gone that quick in my normal pond.

My normal pond being a norfolk Board that at seven feet deep appox is not going to allow the boat to turtle anyway.

I think that " I LUV WIGHT`s" answer about turning the boat side on to the wind & using the mainsheet to lever yourself into the boat while powering the sail is the way forward & is the system that I usually employ on other boats but the sides are so wide that when trying to get the mainsheet from the water the boat come`s over on top of you.Bit of a chicken & egg thing really.

Look at the end of the day what I would like is a solution to the problem which doe`s seem to be more common then just me!

That`s it no more no less




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isn't the 100 mast closed/sealed anyway?
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Morning all

First & foremost I am sure that there is a very simple & effective way round this

GRF:- the problem was not anything to with or compounded with the small sail because I was using the big rig & the small sail would give less of a pendulum effect anyway @ 16 1/2 stone but strong pull ups into the boat have never been a problem.Basicy I fell out of the boat & didn`t capsize.The boats capsized because I wasn`t in it anymore – usually this is funny

TT :-  the boat inverted helped by the waves - small but un helpful waves - in less then 20 seconds while I was untangling myself from the ropes in the cockpit so the boom & mast step up would have properly worked if the boat took longer to invert it works on the 300 & others perfectly well.

TT :- I'd say 70% of the time I'm dry capsizing anyway, so it's really not an issue....   TT 70% dry capsizes good so how do you deal with the 30% wet ones?

TT :- I also capsized at Parkstone & because I did a dry capsize I never found righting the boat a problem @ that time.

TT:- okay so what's the solutions to preventing inversion...  inversion is NOT the problem it is actually desirable it gives you time to rest in a safe place! It is getting back in the boat from the water that’s the problem NOT inversion.

Blaze 720 :-  the blaze always was a easily boat to right well done for keeping it that way Re the photo – they really do that! give or take an inch or so

Realisticly ( spelling )  I think that in this case I should have entered the boat from the board all would have been well.

The best way to have achieved that would have to climbed onto the board from the inverted position that would have been slow but less tiring & easier but the board was slipper that a slippy thing & because of the distance between the gunnels ( which I was standing on ) & the board @ 6ft that was still awkward to do & I failed twice ended up in the water & had to start again which was very knackering
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Norbert

And you can probably sail it
dry in 100 yards and carry on racing

Only its blowing F7...


About the only conditions you'll capsize an Ent!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffybob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:06pm

Face it boys, you're both too old

Get an old man's boat that sits nice and low on its side and is easy to get back into... Like a Canoe!

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Originally posted by Norbert

And you can probably sail it dry in 100 yards and carry on racing

Only its blowing F7...
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Originally posted by RS400atC

The easiest boat to get aboard after
a capsize must be an enterprise with all buoyancy-bags and
no tanks. You just swim into it!, it floats with zero
freeboard or less.



And you can probably sail it dry in 100 yards and carry on
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 4:54pm

In terms of safety, there are two schools of thought. One is that boats that invert are safer, because they are less likely to blow away from you, leaving you boatless in the ocean.

You pays yer munny...

The easiest boat to get aboard after a capsize must be an enterprise with all buoyancy-bags and no tanks. You just swim into it!, it floats with zero freeboard or less.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote I luv Wight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by I luv Wight

If you get straight in - yes it falls on top of you, so you lean in, hold a toestrap with the back hand, and the mainsheet with the front hand. Sheet in as you pull yourself in, so the boat doesn't come over on top of you. - grab the tiller and off you go! ( sef-centreing bungee on the tiller helps a bit )


In my (very) limited Mothing experience, righting in a bit of breeze was OK but righting in force nothing was near impossible. From the side it capsized back on top of you (and not enough wind to counteract even if you sheeted in) and not enough buoyancy in the stern to enter that way. Any suggestions (other than don't capsize in no wind)?


In the older designs with shrouds on the hull, you could step in around the front of the wing ( like the rs 300/100 ) but in the later/current outboard shroud designs, you just have to flip yourself over the wing as it comes up if ther's no wind.. - ie stand on the dagger board ( or chines - not on the hull sides), and do a  kind of forward body flip over the wing/gunwale and land in the middle of the deck as it come vertical.
There is some bouyancy in bags or foam pads along the edge of the wings which help, but it needs good timing and agility. ( but it's no fun mothing in no wind )

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They need airbags under the wings..

Simples
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