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bert
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Topic: getting back in the boatPosted: 12 Jul 10 at 6:05pm |
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TT :- that’s fair enough if that’s the way in - via the transom then the foot loop will be fitted asap when I get back. It is knackering & like luca in post 2 or 3 I was laughing about my predicament.( laughing in the face of death!!! It is just that in ALL other boats that I have sailed I have NEVER had this much of a problem getting into a boat and sailing away ever!! as Russ said on page 2? the 300 is actually a civilized boat in this respect & compared in MY experience a easier boat to remount. TT:- of course the boat floats high, it's a single sealed unit with a beam of 1.83m! -- The blaze seems to float in a more civilized manner with a decent sized cockpit beam without wing appox 1.7 - 2 Mtr? -- ready to be corrected on that. The situation may will have been compounded by the sea movement but it was not a problem In my Phantom. Asterix :- isn't the 100 mast closed/sealed anyway? -- mine seemed to have a lot of water in it but was upside down when tutled for a couple of mintues but turned over in less then 30 seconds.I think the wave action helped this along & doubt if it would have gone that quick in my normal pond. My normal pond being a norfolk Board that at seven feet deep appox is not going to allow the boat to turtle anyway. I think that " I LUV WIGHT`s" answer about turning the boat side on to the wind & using the mainsheet to lever yourself into the boat while powering the sail is the way forward & is the system that I usually employ on other boats but the sides are so wide that when trying to get the mainsheet from the water the boat come`s over on top of you.Bit of a chicken & egg thing really. Look at the end of the day what I would like is a solution to the problem which doe`s seem to be more common then just me! That`s it no more no less Edited by bert |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:27pm |
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isn't the 100 mast closed/sealed anyway?
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bert
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:13pm |
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Morning all First & foremost I am sure that there is a very simple & effective way round this GRF:- the problem was not anything to with or compounded with the small sail because I was using the big rig & the small sail would give less of a pendulum effect anyway @ 16 1/2 stone but strong pull ups into the boat have never been a problem.Basicy I fell out of the boat & didn`t capsize.The boats capsized because I wasn`t in it anymore – usually this is funny TT :- the boat inverted helped by the waves - small but un helpful waves - in less then 20 seconds while I was untangling myself from the ropes in the cockpit so the boom & mast step up would have properly worked if the boat took longer to invert it works on the 300 & others perfectly well. TT :- I'd say 70% of the time I'm dry capsizing anyway, so it's really not an issue.... TT 70% dry capsizes good so how do you deal with the 30% wet ones? TT :- I also capsized at Parkstone & because I did a dry capsize I never found righting the boat a problem @ that time. TT:- okay so what's the solutions to preventing inversion... inversion is NOT the problem it is actually desirable it gives you time to rest in a safe place! It is getting back in the boat from the water that’s the problem NOT inversion. Blaze 720 :- the blaze always was a easily boat to right well done for keeping it that way Re the photo – they really do that! give or take an inch or so Realisticly ( spelling ) I think that in this case I should have entered the boat from the board all would have been well. |
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Norbert
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:11pm |
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About the only conditions you'll capsize an Ent! |
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Skiffybob
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:06pm |
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Face it boys, you're both too old Get an old man's boat that sits nice and low on its side and is easy to get back into... Like a Canoe! |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:05pm |
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Only its blowing F7... |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 5:03pm |
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And you can probably sail it dry in 100 yards and carry on racing |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 4:54pm |
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In terms of safety, there are two schools of thought. One is that boats that invert are safer, because they are less likely to blow away from you, leaving you boatless in the ocean. You pays yer munny... The easiest boat to get aboard after a capsize must be an enterprise with all buoyancy-bags and no tanks. You just swim into it!, it floats with zero freeboard or less. |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 4:40pm |
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In the older designs with shrouds on the hull, you could step in around the front of the wing ( like the rs 300/100 ) but in the later/current outboard shroud designs, you just have to flip yourself over the wing as it comes up if ther's no wind.. - ie stand on the dagger board ( or chines - not on the hull sides), and do a kind of forward body flip over the wing/gunwale and land in the middle of the deck as it come vertical. There is some bouyancy in bags or foam pads along the edge of the wings which help, but it needs good timing and agility. ( but it's no fun mothing in no wind ) |
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Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 4:31pm |
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They need airbags under the wings..
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