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Poll Question: The dinghy market has an inexhaustable desire for ’New Designs’
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    Posted: 12 Feb 10 at 11:02am

Sounds like the Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin....

And I said to Mrs. CJ,  I said "Mrs. CJ., I didn't get where I am today without underestimating market forces and what motivates a sailor to buy a particular boat"

"Great! Soouper! - Sorry CJ!"  Cut to the scene of the hippo mum-in-law

 

 

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Originally posted by MattK

People will buy into a new class, and when it fails buy into the next one,
so unless a new design is the be all and end all design for every sailor,
highly unlikely, there will always be a market for them,

Interesting example of a class that rose and fell

When you want the ultimate in twin trapeze sailing you just have to try
the *****. With it's extensive use of carbon fibre, long bowsprit and huge
spinnaker, the ***** is one of the fastest two-man skiffs in the world and
is smply unsurpassed downwind. The ***** is a sailboat without
compromise. Designer ***** ***** developed and refined his World
Champion International 14's proven lines, lengthening and flattening to
maximise the potential of the superlight, super-stiff carbon foam
sandwich hull that the ********** team perfected. Years of experience
have been utilised in optimising and refining the rig and control systems.
Every component and fitting have been rigorously examined for total
performance, efficiency and elegance. Where no proprietary fitting would
match the specification, custom versions have been designed and
incorporated The country's top sail and spar makers have produced a rig
that blends staggering amounts of power with a depth and sophistication
and control never before achieved. "Simplicity, lightness, strength,
elegance of design, efficiency, balance and class leading performance are
the elements that have been refined and optimised alongside *****
*****'s fantastic hull design. The ***** is going to set the standards by
which manageable, very high performance dinghies are judged for many
years to come." The ***** is the definitive expression of excellence from
*****. Nothing else comes close!

Can you tell what it is?

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Feb 10 at 10:27am
Just voted "yes" , the question is too broad and I totally believe we all want to see new designs, thinking & innovation coming through.  Whether we choose to follow/buy-in is a seperate question....
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Originally posted by dontdocalm!

Continually flood the market with new designs - dilute the market - produce designs/quality for the short term when no mileage in the long term - fragment classes - low price mass production .........Burma........ China ......call centres for customer care...........



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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 10 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by MattK

Can you tell what it is?

It was a classic example of the principle that if you start with the wrong model you're *******d!

Originally posted by Steve411

if that was the only way forward then I'd have to sail a Laser and, quite frankly, I'd rather slit my wrists.

I know what you mean. I think its good my club has a strong Laser fleet and its something to be encouraged, but if I had to sail one I'd stay in bed. I borrowed one for a race last Summer when the Canoe was off the water and wished I hadn't bothered... I'd rather sail a Topper to be quite honest!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve411 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 10 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by mike10626

Originally posted by blaze720

  Perhaps we should simply recognise this model now as the norm ... and all get out a bit more !!.
  

Isn't that the problem ?   We are not getting out a bit more because it is Handicap racing.

Firstly there is the excuse that the wind strength does not suit my handicap today so I might as well give it a miss.

Secondly there is no one around at my club with the same boat so there is no one to compare notes with and therefore I only improve when I go to the class association events.  Therefore why not just go to the class association events and forget about the club membership that involves duties, etc.

The next step is that there is no club racing and that probably will kill off class association events because there will be no clubs left to host them. 

The solution must be to re-energise club fleet racing.  Laser look as though they are supporting something http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=150390.  When are the other boat builders going to join in ?

Mike

 

I enjoy handicap racing at my club and I doubt there is anyone there who thinks about missing a race due to conditions not suiting his/her particular class. I'm sure Laser are to be commended for their efforts in relation to club/fleet racing  but if that was the only way forward then I'd have to sail a Laser and, quite frankly, I'd rather slit my wrists.

Association events are great and there used to be a time in a previous class when I was at a different open every weekend. But actually I like racing at the club too, so a combination is great for me.

There's no one size fits all here.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike10626 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 10 at 3:03pm

Originally posted by blaze720

  Perhaps we should simply recognise this model now as the norm ... and all get out a bit more !!.
  

Isn't that the problem ?   We are not getting out a bit more because it is Handicap racing.

Firstly there is the excuse that the wind strength does not suit my handicap today so I might as well give it a miss.

Secondly there is no one around at my club with the same boat so there is no one to compare notes with and therefore I only improve when I go to the class association events.  Therefore why not just go to the class association events and forget about the club membership that involves duties, etc.

The next step is that there is no club racing and that probably will kill off class association events because there will be no clubs left to host them. 

The solution must be to re-energise club fleet racing.  Laser look as though they are supporting something http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=150390.  When are the other boat builders going to join in ?

Mike

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote nathan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 10 at 3:01pm

Did the BOSS ever rise?

 

Do people want club for practice and travelling for class racing? As discussed on this forum, travelling is becoming increasingly more expensive (£150/ weekend seems the norm), and people struggling for 'weekend passes' from the family.

To me class racing at club level is what it is all about, with the ability to pick and chose a few open meetings...

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People will buy into a new class, and when it fails buy into the next one,
so unless a new design is the be all and end all design for every sailor,
highly unlikely, there will always be a market for them,

Interesting example of a class that rose and fell

When you want the ultimate in twin trapeze sailing you just have to try
the *****. With it's extensive use of carbon fibre, long bowsprit and huge
spinnaker, the ***** is one of the fastest two-man skiffs in the world and
is smply unsurpassed downwind. The ***** is a sailboat without
compromise. Designer ***** ***** developed and refined his World
Champion International 14's proven lines, lengthening and flattening to
maximise the potential of the superlight, super-stiff carbon foam
sandwich hull that the ********** team perfected. Years of experience
have been utilised in optimising and refining the rig and control systems.
Every component and fitting have been rigorously examined for total
performance, efficiency and elegance. Where no proprietary fitting would
match the specification, custom versions have been designed and
incorporated The country's top sail and spar makers have produced a rig
that blends staggering amounts of power with a depth and sophistication
and control never before achieved. "Simplicity, lightness, strength,
elegance of design, efficiency, balance and class leading performance are
the elements that have been refined and optimised alongside *****
*****'s fantastic hull design. The ***** is going to set the standards by
which manageable, very high performance dinghies are judged for many
years to come." The ***** is the definitive expression of excellence from
*****. Nothing else comes close!

Can you tell what it is?

Edited by MattK
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffybob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 10 at 9:13am

I would say that there is always an inexsaustive desire by the dinghy sailing public, and in fact by everyone for new products in pretty-much every walk of life.

What you then have is a "sifting out the wheat from the chaff" exercise, where some products never get off the ground, some do but don't succeed, and a few make it through.

In the consumer durables marketplace, for every new product that's a success, thee are probable 1,000 that aren't.

The key to a successul product is usually achieved by good market research and intelligence, followed by deliveing what people want at the price the want to pay, followed by geat marketing.

A good recent example of this as to be the 100.



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