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    Posted: 27 Oct 09 at 4:25am
we have horn cleats on our 1/4 tonner for the jib sheets, works fine and is probably faster than cam cleats! enough turns on the winch and you can lock them off with a single wrap round the cleats.  If we needed too we would have changed to cam cleats by now, for a dinghy cam cleats will be easier and for a few quid on ebay you can pick up a couple of decent ones so why not change?
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I did a long distance race in a vintage dinghy (Pisces).  I was expected to raise and lower the spinnaker using a horn cleat.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Oct 09 at 1:21pm
I believe it was Paul Elvstrom who invented the cam cleat and he used it in the 1948 Olympics sailing the single handed dinghy which was the Firefly.  He was the only competitor to use them for the jib sheet and he used a "horn cleat" for the main.  Perhaps that's why he won or was it because he was the only sailor to sit over the side of the boat and use toe straps?  Doubtless the other competitors sat upright in flannel trousers and a blazer, possibly with a straw hat called a "boater".  He was a cad!
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I dont think horn cleats would have EVER been used for sheets in a dinghy. Prior to the availability of cam cleats, sailors would have just held onto a jib sheet.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Graham T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 8:18pm
It only needs to ratchet one way - you just take a couple
of turns in the right direction and pull.... When you tack
just let it go and wrap the new sheet in the same
direction.
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Now a snubbing winch is a good idea, I have room for one on the centreboard casing on the forward thwart.  That should keep him busy with a sheet to pull, now I gotta find a small one which hopefully has a reversible ratchet, hopefully it clicks... these X-boxes have not won the day yet!
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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

Still to be found on Main Halyards, but that's about it.


RS Feva Jib Haliards thats the only boat I have found them on (and owned)
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All the bosuns I've sailed have had cam cleats for the jib sheets.

Most keelboats now have self tailing winches, I haven't seen a cleat used for sheets in years.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lukepiewalker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 11:34am
Still to be found on Main Halyards, but that's about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Graham T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 09 at 10:23am
I am just starting a restoration project on a 1957 Osprey -
it is in original layout and has bronze horn cleats for
most things but not the sheets..... In fact it has no sheet
cleats at all, just a huge snubbing winch mounted on the
centre of the thwart which will probably cause the crew
some pain if they come in from the trapeze too fast! As far
as I am aware horn cleats should never be and have never
been used for sheets in a dinghy. Get some cam cleats or as
they used to just hold the sheets.
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