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dics ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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I have just been through the same for my little one. A four year old will not crew the boat and you can’t really expect that until probably in a couple of years time. So the line of thinking kind of goes “stability, can not fall out, can sail single handed” To be honest at 4 years old (mine is four next week) they are just happy to get in a boat and have a float around and then go ashore for a picnic. After a lot of research I did not want to spend too much money and went for an older design with the choice ending between an Enterprise and a GP14 as they both are fiberglass, have inbuilt buoyancy and cheap (not to loose too much when you sell in a few years for a racing Mirror machine for them!). I opted of the GP14 because, 1) smaller main than the 2) more stable (bit more weight to help out here) 3) got over the large genoa by adding furling gear so sheet loads are light for when the crew becomes a useful age 4) a cheap one came up with everything I needed!
The Enterprise would had been just a suitable but I would reef the main to reduce the sail area each time out with the little person. Some one said there is a big difference between a four year old and an eight year old. There is also a big different between a four year old and a six year old. then times that by 100. Remember you will have a little person on board who will be totally helpless in sailing the boat, yet alone in the event of a capsize.
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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you said it
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Enterprising ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
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the GP has very high loads on the sheets from the genoa, so is not going to be suitable for the very young to be active in.
I like the ideas of an ent and a N12. the ent is the sensible choice, can be single handed by someone big with the jib cleats on, and ideal for scruising around too, and not too heavy to manhandle on the shore. and they do go well when it is honking too. The N12, not a problem the weight in the back..... .buy a longer tiller extension and get forwards!! an old single bottom boat would be the way to go, the DB modern ones are not a good idea. small jib so managable loads. seen plenty of 8 yr olds thrown in the front of them before. Look for an old vintage, like a china doll, then you have a circuit to go round on as well.
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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Theres nothing wrong with an RS Vision for cruising around, it is definitely the cruiser/racer of the dinghy world, it is indestructable and a lot less work to maintain than something like a wayfarer. The 2000 starts to move into the racer/cruiser range. The stratos is a surprisingly good boat, being a 2000hull with extra mouldings stuck on top to give it more freeboard. These extra bits have vents which allow them to fill up with water in a capsize which makes it easy to get back on the boat (not a bad idea) and on handicap they are a bit of a bandit!
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I am just introducing my 4 year old to sailing. I currently borrow our clubs RS Vision. She is dead keen and loves being out sailing with daddy (and her friends). She not not showing signs of wanting to help out at the momentbut when she does I will encourage her.
We have quite a few familes at Hunts who have Laser 2000's. They are great fun for 1 adult and several kids. The bug has definitely bitten some of them, we have just had out Cadet course with 26 kids in it. We even (for the first time) hired a fleet of oppies from the RYA so we could cope with the demand! My advice would be something like a L2K or (don't stone me for this) something like a Vision. Despite it's weight it is surpirisngly nimble and plenty of space for kids/wife in the front. Paul |
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Merlinboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3169 |
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I think at that hight and weight he may find it a little tippy jack. Great boats though.
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Having spent the week teaching cadets as young as six then I'd have to say that to expect a four year old to realistically 'crew' anything is a hopeless task. Your son may well have the enthusiasm, but asking him to pull on sheets etc that are too much for him will quickly put him off.
A couple of weeks ago I was RO at my local club. It was pretty breezy, but there was a father/son combo just like yours having a fantastic time in an old phantom - non self draining, so with a much deeper cockpit, a handy thwart and plenty of room for both sailors. The child had a great time 'crewing' by looking out for gusts, other boats, providing ballast and occasionally 'pulling' the sheet in. If you want something more comfortable than a small persons boat yet still want to sail with your son, then I would be looking out for something that suits you first and foremost (because what about the days he doesn't want to sail) such as a phantom, solo etc, but that he can also come and join in with without anything being too demanding for him. Do this until he's a bit bigger and then he'll still be keen, you'll have more fun and then you can start to think about a double hander. Edited by winging it |
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the same, but different...
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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I'm still backing the laser 2000, i think they have a furling jib so if it all gets a bit hairy then the jib can be rolled up and the boat can be nursed back to shore... and im sure you'll get one cheap too!
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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National 12 not quite right for Kennys size, shape and weight. All the weight in the back a bit much. Although if willing to accept fun over performance/competitivity a smashing idea, but possibly a bit unstable to start with a small child.
How about a Snipe. Just popped into my head, don't know much about them, but bound to be spacious. Edited by Lukepiewalker |
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