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    Posted: 13 Mar 09 at 10:34am
Just a thought and the way this thread is heading it should probably be
moved into the "For the Mag" section, but I tend to buy Zinio's as and
when I think there may be something none Lead Mine or Ill informed
tactical waller giving knaff info, to read.

I wonder you don't sell an annual collation of Boat Tests in Zino format, I
would have thought such a thing would be really popular given the high
turnover of 2nd hand boats.

It wouldn't be that difficult to put together from PDFs surely.

Naturally I would expect a commission on the sale of each one now given
it's my idea. (Maybe I should set about with a scanner and the back copy
library)
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Originally posted by Rupert

I've just gone into the subscribers corner for the 1st time to look for those articles, but it only goes back as far as 2008? Any chance of getting the 2007 articles you mention up?


The sub club goes back to 2003, but I can see that showing a section like boat tests does limit the list to the most recent 20. I have now fixed that. Sorry it wasn't very useful.

You can also search for any test using the box in the top left. For example - "heavyweight" or "Kestrel".

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Originally posted by craiggo

Demo days are one thing but comparitive reviews is another.

As GRF says lets get L4000's V3000's 50's RS500 & The Alto, ISO etc. all together at one place, let everyone sail each others boat and then let them comment to Y&Y resident hack who can put together a review.

It would be much the same as the ISAF boat selection tests albeit without the politics and would provide prospective newcomers with a much better understanding of the pros and cons.

If you include a couple of testers who havnt sailed these boats but are thinking of purchasing one within the mix of testers then the review should be well balanced, rather than a "my class is better than yours" bunfight which I expect Y&Y are worried about creating.

Given the size of the review it could perhaps be rolled over 2-3 issues, with a different type of boat tested per quarter, that gives time to organise the event.

So we'd have:

* Lightweight hiking Singlehanders
* Medium hiking Singlehanders
* Heavyweight hiking Singlehanders
* Lightweight/Junior hiking doublehanders (No spinni)
* Medium to Heavyweight hiking doublehanders (No spinni)
* Lightweight/Junior hiking doublehanders (incl. spinni)
* Medium to Heavyweight hiking doublehanders (incl. spinni)
* Trapeze Singlehanders
* Single Trap doublehanders
* Twin trap doublehanders

Cats can and should be included within the above categories, as they are essentially dinghies (just with stabilisers ). Ok some inland venues are restricted by backward thinking water companies on what they can and cant sail but if someone is looking for a twin trap boat to sail with their teenage child, why just narrow it down to RS800, when the Spitfire or even F18 would also be suitable.

So lets ave it!

Spot on Paul. 

Sad to say, I don't buy anything based on a Y&Y review, not even a pair of gloves let alone a boat.  They are all just so nice! 

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MerlinMags wrote

So far we have had:

Lightweight Singlehanders - Oct 2008
(Laser Radial, Byte CII, Europe and Streaker)

Singlehanded Dinghies For Heavyweights - Nov 2007
(Rooster 8.1, Finn and Phantom)

Singlehanded Dinghies For Mid-Weights - Oct 2007
(Laser, OK, Solo)

Two-Man Dinghies For Beginners - Aug 2007
(Topaz Xenon, RS Vision, COmet Trio)

Beach Cats - Jul 2007
(Hobie 15, Nacra 500)

Probably time to concentrate on the double-handers now?[

Well done & you should be applauded for those tests & continue with the comparison style of test, But the problem is the tests done by Y&Y & other mag`s are seen to only show the GOOD points & not show or mention the undesirable ones.

Also for example ( I picked this because I needed hikers at the time ) the hikers comparison article that was done by Y&Y ,If I remember right started with 7 sets of hikers which I might have a interest in & gave the results that our testers like these 2 sets of hikers & did not said why they did not like the others, This seemed like an opinion rather then a test which led me no where.

The problem has led ME to read the tests as entertainment rather then a factual test in the same way that I watch top gear for fun.



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I've just gone into the subscribers corner for the 1st time to look for those articles, but it only goes back as far as 2008? Any chance of getting the 2007 articles you mention up?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Datchet SC had an 'on the water boat show' where you could trial sail boats.

It was nice and central, quite well supported by demonstrators (classes & builders), at least for the first year, but hardly any punters turned up! Not sure if it's still going - nothing I can find on their website

Datchet is running it again this year.  Seems a little more interest this time around so hopefully we will get a mix of people turning up.  The dates this year are 25-26th April.  Details will be on the website soon. 

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It's clear I've not been reading Y&Y as often as I should - missed all those; sorry. Presumably the joint tests answered all my problems?
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Originally posted by craiggo

So we'd have:

* Lightweight hiking Singlehanders
* Medium hiking Singlehanders
* Heavyweight hiking Singlehanders
* Lightweight/Junior hiking doublehanders (No spinni)
* Medium to Heavyweight hiking doublehanders (No spinni)
* Lightweight/Junior hiking doublehanders (incl. spinni)
* Medium to Heavyweight hiking doublehanders (incl. spinni)
* Trapeze Singlehanders
* Single Trap doublehanders
* Twin trap doublehanders


So far we have had:

Lightweight Singlehanders - Oct 2008
(Laser Radial, Byte CII, Europe and Streaker)

Singlehanded Dinghies For Heavyweights - Nov 2007
(Rooster 8.1, Finn and Phantom)

Singlehanded Dinghies For Mid-Weights - Oct 2007
(Laser, OK, Solo)

Two-Man Dinghies For Beginners - Aug 2007
(Topaz Xenon, RS Vision, COmet Trio)

Beach Cats - Jul 2007
(Hobie 15, Nacra 500)

Probably time to concentrate on the double-handers now?
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Ooooh yeah  a weekend job would be great!  Overnight Y&Y piss up and bbq!!!

It could be like a y&Y swap shop.


Grumpf you could be Noel Edmunds!! and TT could be Cheggers!

 

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Would this not be better organised on the forum, everyone brings their own boat.  A sort of free, fringe, on the water, dinghy show.  People can sail what they like then, only problem these days would be insurance I guess and somewhere big enough and accomdating enough to do it, would probably need a weekend too.  Could be fun though?
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