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    Posted: 11 Jun 08 at 8:51am
My 'puter has been dead for a bit, but now some of the thugs and yobs are back from wasting time at "uni" so it is fixed. I would have joined in this post before had I been able. At that time I would have recomended the Tasar since we love ours. It is worth bearing in mind that the Tasar has a minimum wieght limit for boat and crew so in theory a midget in the front could be ileagle. unless a fat bloke sits in the back. However..... last weekend we had a persuit race against local clubs. Light winds. We (tasar) started 2nd from the back, 35 boats, and only managed to get mid fleet at a the end. The best performing boat? A graduate with the new Rooster rig! One first and two seconds over three races. The hull was old and wood and the couple sailing it are of normal adult wieght and are not not particularly "hot shot". A revelation!
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Here is a bunch of 3000 sailors at a training day a couple of years back. Note the mixture of sizes. Anything from 16 stone up (both sailors!) will do, and the light one on the wire makes sheeting the main dead easy!

Sometimes the crews are tiny!:



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Very much a tossup between a National 12 and a Tasar I think. For sentimental reasons I'd go for a 12, but I'm just getting into Tasar sailing, so who knows?

Most boats are  tippy and I agree with Mr. Wilkins that "responsive" would be a better choice of word. 12s are lively and point quite well.

There was once a National 12 sailor, who yielded to a Wayfarer's desire (he wanted her to crew for him).

She said "it's a sin, but now that I'm in",

"Could you point it a little bit higher?"....

 

 

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Originally posted by Ziggi

 

Do you know "Merlin" boat (not Merlin Rocket). It is 2-3 person sail dinghy with 7, 8.5 and 10 square meters of sails versions. The boat is distributed in Germany and Poland. You can find it on www.kamayachts.com or www.cm-segelsport.de. It is perfect for learning, recreational and more advancing sailing.

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I've sailed  National 12's for 35 years - my daughters started crewing for me on accassions form about age 6- the eldest was crewing for me for the whole of Salcombe Town Regatta aged 7 or 8 if I recall - 12's are "tippier"( I prefer the term RESPONSIVE) than most dinghies but that is part of their appeal. It makes them terrific dinghies to teach you how to sail well - they let you know when you don't, but with perseverence the grin you get from sailing them just gets bigger. We had a couple who were new to sailing turn up at our club a few years back in an old Twelve  - after the first 3 or 4 weeks they were thinkong of selling and finding something less tippy - they were persuaded to persist a little longer and soon learned from their mistakes. They bought a much newer 12 (a Crusader) the following year which they loved sailing and very quickly became increasingly hard to beat.

You can sail less responsive boats badly for many years - you can learn a lot about balance and sail control very quickly in a National Twelve - go for one they are fantastic boats and offer brilliant value for money and grins per pound!

 

 

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My husband and daughter (aged 6) have just spent the weekend at the N12 Summer Event at Hykeham SC racing a 12 together.  All up weight just over 15 stones, had a fab time.  Accept that 12's are seen as tippy but the degree of tippiness does depend on the design.  This weekend the racing has been in our vintage boat (45 year old Sparklet design) and we've yet to let Ellie afloat in the double bottomed Final Chapter we own (planned for this weekend I'm informed), but my husband has previously sailed a Cheshire Cat and a Crusader v successfully with a child crew.  Out of interest, Ellie says she likes the 12 the same as the Mirror which they are currently racing at our club, but I think if Dad got the toestraps set up for her the 12 would win hands down.

If you want more info on 12's do look at their website and talk to the experts.

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Do you know "Merlin" boat (not Merlin Rocket). It is 2-3 person sail dinghy with 7, 8.5 and 10 square meters of sails versions. The boat is distributed in Germany and Poland. You can find it on www.kamayachts.com or www.cm-segelsport.de. It is perfect for learning, recreational and more advancing sailing.

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You will get an excellent race ready National 12 for under £1000.  Will probably be 20 years old and will have been built to last 70.  Unlikely to win this year's Burton Cup but a fantastic boat to introduce your family into sailing.  They have a second hand boat list on their website.  Have a look and make an investment!

 

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Set exactly the same question myself about 2 months ago and went for a N12 - Crusader.  Great little boat.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 08 at 12:03am
The rotation lever on a Tasar is okay IF the crew gets it early; before the
main comes over. A few pre-teen crews have been very fast, if the skipper is
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