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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Having read the forum thread on the ISAF site I am not surprised that they haven't responded in an appropriate manner. The comments are basically downright rude, childish and provocative... If you want your comments to be taken seriously, present a serious considered argument! |
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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I don't think they're in touch enough with the real world (ie where people get wet now and then) to be aware they've made a mistake. Either that or they're just too belligerent to care.
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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But then someone gets trapped / dies wearing an 'approved harness' and the ISAF gets sued. I still believe the ISAF have put them selves betweena rock and a hard place with this rule an d can now see this - Hence why they (the ISAF) are dodging making any statements while they (the ISAF) work out how to get out of it. |
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Coolhand ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 34 |
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I suspect that this rule might be due to the you didn't tell me "not to put my dog in a microwave/that the coffee would be hot/that if I use Cruise control I still have to steer" effect. If you're told to do something and then don't the liablity is shifted - therefore I suspect that every organisation will have to adopt the rule or face being taken to court for emotional stress by the first person to get a dunking whilst attcached to the wire.
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catmandoo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 545 |
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As we all know ISAF are losing the plot on this one .
It's interesting to consider wether the unfortunate trapped Tornado sailor would have benefitted from less bouyancy and being able to move in the water more easily , pehaps without the bouyancy I assume he was wearing , he may have been able to get free. Similarily in other situations where harnesses get caught , surely the constant upwards force from wearing extra bouyancy must tighten line etc and make it far harder to disentangle from underwater rigging . Most people in dinghy sailing gear are positive bouyant through air in neoprene , clothing , drysuits etc without the excesses of an aid , after all humans are just about bouyant with no help .
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Matt Jackson ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Sep 04 Location: Darlington Online Status: Offline Posts: 962 |
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... and completely useless if you happen to be unconcious - a side-effect of the drowning process I'm told.
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Read your Y&Y - the RYA is doing something. They are collecting data and proving that dying as a result of your trapeze harness causing entrapment is a miniscule risk, so we don't need to bother doing anything. (Mulit mad column, Jan 7th). Personally I have written to Y&Y and said this is fine but surely the wrong approach. ISAF will respond saying "the risk may be miniscule but somebody died and it is something that could be prevented so taking action is correct". After all, if a professional sailor is issued with a harness by his employer or sponsor, it then falls under the Health & Safety at Work Act and big money lawyers get involved with prosectutions etc etc. End result - trapeze harnesses are inherently unsafe and therefore trapezing should be made illegal...(maybe a slight exageration but not much!) The fact is there are better solutions - but none are visible in the market place except the Bethwaite ball + socket harness (which will not comply with the new rule as far as I can tell). The best solution is to prevent the trapeze hook catching on something in the first place. Having knives or quick release hooks to get released after getting caught is basically a last resort. |
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now there is a good idea |
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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Am I naive in thinking the RYA should be championing this on our behalf! Although looking at the last voting information most of the committee seem to be big boat sailors!
In seriousness carrying a knife might actually be a better safety strategy and... could stop helms abusing their crews ![]() Has anyone spoken to harness manufacturers? What about every trapeze class stand displaying (in large print/posters) something like "New Harness Rule ill considered - Is the RYA doing anything?" at the dinghy show? |
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