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mopuk2000 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 22 |
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The Following is taken from an article about the 65 trials by one of the
committee. I guess that the boats described below have all disappeared now as the Tempest won but perhaps it is one of these classes? "All boats entered were built up to the limits of 22 ft. overall length and sail area of 247 ft. plus spinnaker. All had keels weighing 495 lb. Actually most of the boats when measured proved to have exceeded the sail area limit. We made note of this but let them sail anyway. Tempest’s area was exactly as specified. Hull weight of the ten new designs entered varied considerably from under 300 lb. for Jack Knights’ home-built sharpie type Cobra to 797 lb. for Starlet, designed by H. E. Glacer. Tempest’s bare hull was second lightest at 440 lb. Other entrants were H. E. Glacer’s Champion, winner of the 1963 design competition of the IYRU; John Westell’s CVP43, looking very much like an overgrown 5-0-5; Flying Senior, a lovely looking boat by U. Van Essen, designer of the Flying Dutchman; Rapikee, designed by E. G. vander Stadt, and second in the design competition; J. M. Hannay’s Satellite, a variation on the hard chine Cobra; C. & B. Silvant’s Telstar which was more of a day-sailing than racing type, and P. Budde’s Flying Fish. Most of them were fine looking boats." The full article is at http://www.tempestclass.com/Info/sandbag/ appendA.html |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Yes, my info (Yachting World May '52) says that Osprey was "originally
designed as tangible expression of a clear mental picture of the kind of boat Ian Proctor hoped would be chosen, but the shape proved so intriguing to various helmsmen who saw the lines, that a syndicate was quickly formed to builder her and send her to Holland." So it looks like the full-scale boat came from that conception rather than a baby Osprey. One thing I only noticed recently was that the boat drew comment because she relied on hiking power more than form stability.....no wonder she benefited so much from the trap when it was fitted in those final races of the 1st round at Peter Scott's recommendation. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Certainly not a Peregrine - what I was wondering was whether Proctor had done a prototype small version of the Osprey. Nothing in the Dinghy Yearbooks about one, so unlikely.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Quick work, Huw! ![]() ![]() ![]() Now we pedants can rest in peace. BTW, the Osprey DID play a part in the re-emergence of the trap, it just wasn;t invented for the class. Ch, totally agree about the excellence of these true classics. Wonderful boats all. However, there have been quite a few claims (not all by active 5-0that the 5-0 proto was utterly dominant in speed at the '53 trials. I must admit that the stuff on the web these days seems to be more circumspect. Coronet was a brilliant boat, the 505 is still listed by many skiff/etc designers as one of the world's best boats, but Westell himself said that Coronet's speed alone was not enough to justify a second International class. Despite that, the IYRU went ahead and made the 505 a second International class, yet they often just cop the blame for making the FD Olympic (which was initially the choice of the host city, Rome, anyway). Re the Jollyboat; it raced only in the second trials and finished =7th, it seems, with the Hornet. The Jollyboat was sailed two up with trap but seemed to suffer in that mode upwind in a blow and did best on fast reaches. The Hornet (like the Osprey comparatively cheap and simple) didn't do as well in the second trials because by then, just about all the other boats had followed the inspiration of the Hornet and Osprey and also adopted traps or planks. Back on topic; the mystery boat is unlikely to be a Peregrine as that had a lifting keel with a 270lg bulb on an 80lb steel plate fin. It was also 18'6" overall and had "capacious watertight lockers fore and aft, and buuoyancy tanks built under the sidedecks. The thwarts, traveller, outboard bracket, hatch, etc is all wrong. There's details of the beam on CVRDA; like the length, it tallies with the beam of a Caneton as do the other details of the boat apart from the British heritage. Puzzling. Edited by Chris 249 |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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There is a similar thread to this running on the cvrda site about this boat. There are more pics there, and in one of them it can be seen that the mast isn't deck stepped. The construction techniques suggest that if it isn't an Osprey it is a smaller version, the existence of which I was unaware. There is, however a giant Osprey called a Peregrine, so anything is possible!
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vscott ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 181 |
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How did the Jolly Boat do in '52? or where can I get to that information?
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The Osprey web site has been updated to reflect information provide in this thread.
Kind regards, Huw |
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Ch505 ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
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Chris 249 Pls show me the BS by the 505 Spin machine and I'll sort it out. I wasn't there - or even born for about 20 yrs afterwards. The FD is a great boat. The 505 is a great boat. The Osprey is a great boat. All 3 designs have lasted longer than any of the current crop will. ....and back to the subject. The foredeck does look like an Osprey to me. Chas |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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As someone who has spent a day trawling through Y&Ys archives and failed to get all the data he was looking for I can sympathise if they are tempted to repeat what is widely stated rather than going back to the primary source if its just a sideline rather than part of the focus of the article. If you're genuinely doing a historic piece of course there's no excuse, you have to do the research. However I can't even find the Torbole report from the 49er trials, and there are plenty of myths building up around that... |
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TheDuke ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 04 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 8 |
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It isn't a Merlin - already a lot of discussion - not enough planks, and is too long. They did try a prototype 4 plank version of the Merlin in the 70's, but only 1-2 were built and were not liked by the class at the time.
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