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    Posted: 03 Jul 07 at 1:48pm

Could we not get our self into a similar situation then as was when competitors used to fly a protest flag 'just in case'..

I know that sometimes when the wind is howling and the rain is almost horizontal, I know for a fact I start rehearsing the awebolaxe rule.. quietly under my breath… sometimes before I'm even fully awake or even at the beach..

I can see your point however it does devalue the ‘you’ve been framed’ factor and I’m not quite sure how the hail would be made “ready to awebolaxe”, “gybe awebolaxe”..  it just doesn’t make sense.. perhaps further thought or research should go into an additional rule..

The “chuvinheck” or maybe the “ohmigodd” rule.. your thoughts?

 

 

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The great thing about a discussion on these rules, is that we can get the nub of the problem before the actual rule is introduced.

 

Personally, I think there should be an addendum to the rule:

 - If there is a camera (either an official photographer, or an amateur) within 30 metres of the awebolaxe perpetrator, the call should be made BEFORE the incident, and not after.

This is like calling for water at a mark: You should hail your intention before manouvering!

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 07 at 5:39pm
 can i have a guide distance for the hailing of aweboloxe if you do an unintentional "support boat drop" without a support boat?
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Good question, I would suppose on a boat with a crew greater than 2, then the Awebolaxe rule is still excercised by the perpatrator(s), the chuffinidiot rule remains unaffected..  your question however about boats with lumps of lead (to slow them down) on the bottom..  I suppose capsize could apply to the spilling on Pimm's, G&T, Champagne etc..  however, on a slightly more nautical theme, there is still the broach.. and don't forget.. with a fixed lump of lead, the hailing distance for running aground is extended.. possibly even to the use of VHF..

 

 

 

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so, who shouts what on an vessel with more than 2 crew and a nice big lump of lead underneath it to stop any of this silly falling over business?
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By the helm....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Yello Streak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 07 at 4:16pm

In response to the example from the ballast.. 

 A similar example would be when approaching a race mark at speed, the Kind, considerate, helpful, skilful and joyful helm assists in clearance of the mark by pulling slightly harder on the go fast rope thereby lifting the windward hull into a position to enable the ballast to clear the mark.. the ahfofoxake comes into consideration when the ballast’s knuckles (which were previously slowing the craft down by dragging in the water) clip the course mark, forcing an awebolaxe infringement, closely followed by a combination "chuffinidiot-w(here's you) anchor" hail. It is at the point of penalty when the ahfofoxake is proclaimed.

 

 

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You'll be one of those "ballast" people then!

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Actualy, and for the avoidance of any doubt, the "ahfofoxake" rule should only apply to the crew of the said vessel and is to be shouted in response to the "Awebolaxe" rule being exercised by the helm of the said vessel when the incident to which the Awbolaxe rule is deemed to be the as a “perceived error” made by the said crew, as opposed to the total responsibility being as a result of the helm who is refusing to accept liability for incident.

 

Further more, the “ahfofoxake” rule can also be applied by the crew when certain conditions dictate, for example when said crew is out on the wire on starboard tack hailing to approaching vessels approaching on port tack during which time said helm makes erratic and unexpected changes in direction (without notifying crew) with the result of crew learning the art of flying in direction of mast also resulting in the events details within the awbolaxe rule i.e. capsize etc.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 07 at 10:14am

From personal experience, the Ahfofoxake rule replaces sub-para a) of the Chuffinidiot rule when the affected party is within 2 or 3 boat lengths of the Awebolaxe incident.

Ahfofoxake can also be invoked when the wind shifts while you are on the layline for a mark and can suddenly no longer round said mark without further tacks. Adverse tidal streams may add weight to the invocation.

Ever since the requirement for carrying protest flags was cancelled for boats under 6m, the nature of registering your protest has been under constant debate. There is additionally no requirement for such boats to carry an anchor, hence the question.

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