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    Posted: 08 May 07 at 9:48pm
If we're talking Winder Fireballs, then 970 would sound about right
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Originally posted by Hector

I've sailed a 500 a few times and very much like the boat. I doubt though that they warrant a PY of 960 - that would make it as fast as a Vortex (without asymmetric) and it simply isn't.

I heard that at Draycote the 500(s) appear to be around the same speed as a Fireball upwind and faster downwind (as long as there are no very light runs to do). I sailed Fireballs for years and can't see how the 500 would be much faster over a range of conditions. My only sail against a Fireball was a pursuit and neither 500 caught the Fireball at all (I admit he was very good).

That would suggest a PY over 970 so maybe Medwaty Maniac isn't far wrong in his calcs.

Just a little more evidence - in the recent Charity pursuit race at Hayling the HISC corrected numbers had the RS500 and Fireballs starting together. Not sure how HISC 'corrects' numbers, but as they have some good Fireballs and RS crews it appears that on their water at least speed is comparable.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowhammer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 07 at 12:36am

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Surely 2006?

Ooops, must have been ih a 'time warp' there, now corrected

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Originally posted by yellowhammer

Tony Hunt's 1996 Nationals winning boat No. 3448 is great value at £1950, a late boat with the recent upgrades already fitted (the last L3K built was No. 3534).

Surely 2006? Unless the boat can also time-travel to before it's build date, in which case it's a real snip  

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Originally posted by sailor_420

anyone know how they compare with the L/V3000? like stability etc

From the Laser 3000 viewpoint, the original SMOD standard boat will be easier than a 500 or a V3000, as the more powerful North sails and taking weight out of the 3000 hull has made it a friskier, more skiff like ride as the wind gets up, particularly for light/young sailors. Lets face it, if you're moving into trapezing, then you want to be able to handle the boat in trapezing/planing conditions. The furling jib on the L3000 rather than a bettened jib is also an advantage for newcomers.

Tall sailors / heavier combined crew weight could be better off in the 500, although recent class legal mods have freed up space in the 3000 cockpit. There are now L3000s around for sub-£2000, see the class boat list:

http://www.3000class.org.uk/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=81

Since its independence from SMOD ties, the L3K can grow with you ... Tony Hunt's 2006 Nationals winning boat No. 3448 is great value at £1950, a late boat with the recent upgrades already fitted (the last L3K built was No. 3534). Learning single wire asymmetric in somthing like this, then upgrading to the new New North sails as you're getting more confident, then maybe laying out for the RS500 or V3000 could be a sensible route. The L3K shouldn't depreciate while you find out if STA is the thing for you.

That is unless you've got money burning a hole in your pocket and a yearning for a brand spanker, fresh from the box ... sensible doesn't always make sence! If you do fancy a new boat then be sure to try both the RS500 and V3000 before you buy, it's probably more a matter of personal taste than differences in difficulty.



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Originally posted by sailor_420

anyone know how they compare with the L/V3000? like stability etc

Was hoping someone who's sailed both would reply to that, never mind.... as a v3000 owner, here's my two pennuth:

Compared to the RS500, the V3000 has:

Lower hull weight (54kg vs around 70kg)
Fancier construction (foam epoxy not spray-on GRP) - so STIFF
Slightly smaller sail area, particularly the kite
Slightly longer hull, so maybe better sub planing speed
Very little freeboard (good for low weight and stepping out, bad for water in the helm's face)
Very ergonomic clutter free deck layout with plenty of places to trapeze from
Viable to single hand and I doubt an XL rigged RS500 is.
Made in the UK by really nice people
Marginally higher first cost
Cheaper sails and bits

In principle the V3000 has more acceleration but probably a lower top speed (PY creeping down from the current 1030 cf RS500 PY creeping up from the predicted 960). 

As for stability the V3000 is surprisingly stable - so long as you're in it.  Can fall over when you get out 'cause it floats so high in the water.  But the Vario on which the RS500 is based, is also pretty stable - so I doubt there's much in it.  But do want to find out.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 May 07 at 12:04am
They've got more freeboard - but then haven't most boats got more freeboard than a 3000?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sailor_420 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 07 at 7:07pm
anyone know how they compare with the L/V3000? like stability etc
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Yeah I was planing really well upwind unfortuneately not close enough to them to tell about pure boatspeed but overall upwing they were quicker.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 4:39pm
Presumably in a Contender you were planing upwind in those conditions - and they were quicker there too?
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