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    Posted: 30 Jun 06 at 12:40pm

Blimey guys I only wanted to extend an invitation to you all to come and enjoy our beautiful waters and hospitality in whatever grabs your fancy.

I am now totally lost because I own and sail a jolly boat rigged, James Lelliot built wooden Drasombe "Skiff" and a 49er. Which one should I enter into into Poole Week do you think. The Drascombe's PY number would probably eliminate it since the nearest it has ever got to a plane is when it was built and the plane was in the hands of a craftsman.

Anyway 4 49ers, a Boss a Laser 5000 and an RS800 had a great race around our beautiful harbour last night no matter what you may call us!!

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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

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That would be fine
Chris, except I'm not sure
you would find anyone in the Cherub fleet with foil bags....


Oy! You know we used to!
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through....


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

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That would be fine Chris, except I'm not sure
you would find anyone in the Cherub fleet with foil bags....


Oy! You know we used to!



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Much respect Phil dude, it must have taken you aaaages to find that picture. You must REALLY have wanted to make that point! I feel honoured you went to all that effort.

I'm sure the Scottish Skiff Racing is very high quality, and does a great job of getting people on the water. But they still appear to include all manner of classes under their banner of "skiff" racing. Vortex, Iso, Spice? No way Jimmy. In the list of classes I can only see one which could ever be called a "real" skiff. Some of the others are "skiff-types", and some are quite simply "dinghies". And one is even a "catamaran"! It's yet another example of organisations rippings off the term to market themselves, just because they want to be assosiated with the extreme sailing that happens in the land down under. At the end of the day, using the term is "skiff" when your not, smacks a bit of "wannabe".



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So Stu how is an organisation that aims to and succeeds in getting more people out on the water in quality compettitave racing in fast exciting boats "Micky Mouse" and this effort is not?



now just trying to decide if this should be called a raft, a log or a corrical as it is a decendant of one of those early boats
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Originally posted by aardvark_issues

That would be fine Chris, except I'm not sure
you would find anyone in the Cherub fleet with foil bags....


Oy! You know we used to!
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I'm not claiming anything Strawberry, just pointing out a small problem with
the way you and other "true skiff" sailors are defining what a skiff is.

Do we need to have a family tree drawn to decide each class’s title
descriptor?


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Being a skiff isn't about the hull, or the rigs. It's about the ethos!

Mate, I think for any Cherub sailor to claim they're boat is a skiff, on a skiff forum, is quite simply laughable! It's lucky the skiffies are a polite(ish) bunch of guys, or that particular sailor might have got a flaming!



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Originally posted by Strawberry

[QUOTE=Doug.H]edit: just seen strawberrys post
abovebut Surely now that the cherub with its new rig and newer hull
designs coming through are farily similar toa  12ft skiff, are the cherubs
still not skiffs??  The differences between a brand new (new rules) cherub
and a 12ft skiff to a casual onlooker would be extremely hard to define.[/
QUOTE]


Apologies doug, I've only just noticed this edit.


No, i don't consider Cherubs to be skiffs for the following reasons:They
are not directly descended from the Australian open boatsThey have
limited sail areaThey have sail numbersetc.




Just being devil's advocate, but......


So when you put your new SKIFF RIGS on your UK CHERUB ( as several AU
Cherubs have done ) it magically has all that heritage so can be called a
12ft SKIFF totally legitimately?


• I smell something!


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Originally posted by Doug.H


edit: just seen strawberrys post above
but Surely now that the cherub with its new rig and newer hull designs coming through are farily similar toa  12ft skiff, are the cherubs still not skiffs?? 
The differences between a brand new (new rules) cherub and a 12ft skiff to a casual onlooker would be extremely hard to define.

Apologies doug, I've only just noticed this edit.

No, i don't consider Cherubs to be skiffs for the following reasons:
They are not directly descended from the Australian open boats
They have limited sail area
They have sail numbers
etc.
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