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    Posted: 08 May 06 at 8:53am

Some really good ideas and tips here - for which many thanks!

We are reading and learning and will refine some of what we are doing - and maybe even let you know how it's going.

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To be honest sailing at kielder is never really serious. It is a small inland club (huge resevoir though ) with a few regular racers, All the core racers want to get more novices into their boats and out with us. we have tried the buddying and there is a personal handicap series that works quite well. I think we will publicise the personal handicap better so that novices know that it is more for them. I think we will also try the debrief idea so that they know what has gone on and can think about it more for next timev they go out.
thanks for all the feedback guys.
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One of the things that novices can't get to grips with easily is all the shouting that goes on. People only shout at you if they are angry with you - right? To many this is acutely agressive and it has been known for the some of the more experienced sailors to give novices a hard time and make ridiculous calls to confuse them.

Hold the novice events on a separate day to nornal club racing, perhaps Saturdays and make it a fun event for all the family but especially for the wrinklies. Get the mums & dads happy and the kids will get dragged along in their wake. Reward enterprise and offer prizes even bars of chocolate are greatly appreciated.

But best of all is a a jolly good de-briefing. People really want to know about situations and events that happened during the race. It really does matter to a novice!
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 We have a personal handicap (as someone mentioned in previous post)  system for one series of races, this gives newbies a chance. Also provide safety boat cover for free sailing and Bar B Q cruises along the coast for those not into racing. And lots of silverware at the laying up supper for beginers:- most improved Helm/crew, a cup for the most capsizes and a bent cup for the most spectacular cock up on the water. 
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Just to add... We also runa race day a the end of our second block of training where the people who have come through the training have a big race. This used to be a team racing even but this became increasingly hard to find helms for and we now feel the begginers take more satisfacton from wining themselves.

Finaly... We got a grant to put 6 of us through our instructors courses and all other bits and pieces. And some of these people were the sailors who do the most traveling and do the most competative sailing. They are having to put alot of there time into doing this instead of there own sailing but hopefully the end result will be worth it.
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Plan Number One

We have a very small club where every member really matters. During the Club Championship part of the season (our club championship involves sailing 7 series each of 6 races. We have the even numbered series on a wed nigth i.e series 2,4,6 and then we have series 1,3,5,7 on sundays. We usualy sail like series 1 and 3 race 1 on a
sunday and so a serries takes 6 weeks.)

Back to the point. We have 3 races on a sunday and up untill now they have just been a sort of warm up race and didnt count for anything. This year we have decided to put a real push to get bums on sidedecks and have decided to include entry to these races in the fee for our training sessions (these happen on a sunday morning).

These races will be begginers either teamming up with an experianced sailor (probably in a club 2000) who will crew and generaly help the begginer out or they can race a club laser pico. We are going to be pretty relaxed and let experianced people who have just got a new boat or whatever sail in this 2 to allow them to practice but the emphasis will be on making it fun and not competative.

This we hope will give the begginers a chance to experiance racing and hopefully get the bug and then team up with each other and sail in the normall races as they get more confident. One big plus of this is that to begin with the experianced sailor can do alot for the begginer but as the series goes on they will be able to do less and let the bigginer do more and more.

The experianced (good guys if u like) have had to give up a competative race which may have been more fun for them but hopefully this will bring more people into our competative racing in the club championship and increase the number of boats in the hunt for prizes.

Plan Number 2

We always had a handicap trophy which ran along side the club championship trophy and without going into detail rewarded improvement as well as consitancy. It was almost impossible for someone to win both though it has happened. What was happening tho was that the runner up in the club championship would win it. The reason we have a seperate trophy is that we all agree that a rolling handicap system (which this isnt) doesnt incourage mid fleet sailors to improve as they get an artifical impression of how well they are going. We made the desision to say thatr the top 5 boats in the club championship that year are to be excluded from this trophy to allow for almost a silver fleet trophy.

This has been a real hit for the boats about 6th -10th in the club championship as they were regulars who realisticly were't going to be in with a shout of the club championship or race wins but were doing well concidering experiance etc... It was great to see these sailors crowded around the results sheet (like we do the club championship) and working out what positions they needed to get to win that. It has given these people a reason to turn out each week.

Third Plan

We run a pairs challange trophy where the top boats are paired with the lower fleet boats and give them help and advice. This is really taken up by some but even the people who dont help there buddy out much but sail regularly can help there buddy to win some silverware and give them some enjoyment which lets be honest is wat its all about.

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For smaller inland clubs racing is probably the only way to really keep people interested, you can free sail around a 200 acre reservoir in about half an hour, you're not going to do that too may times on a Sunday without getting bored and giving up. From a management perspective it's also easier to provide safety as the crews are rota'd on to cover the racing and need comfort breaks which they can't do if people are just pottering about.

We're trying a different approach to our usual 3 RYA level 2 courses this year, putting on a single course but expanding it to include guidance on buying a boat, introduction to running a race, a short course based on the introduction to racing and so on. For me a key priority is to stop people buying cr*p boats.. I don't mean the constant bickering over rota moulded vs asymmetrics vs symmetrics etc, but simply stopping them spending a few hundred quid on a boat they are proud of only to get it to the club and have people say "you paid what?" and fall about laughing while they point out all the knackered rigging, bent mast etc. Yes it's all fixable but it's a big extra expense and puts people off. Less volume of trainees and improve the quality of training.. it'll be a drop in revenue but if we get more active club members as a result then so much the better.

We'll let you know how we get on..

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If you are a very small club like ours, Combs S.C. in Derbyshire, every member counts. If a new member turns up to join with or without children and wishes not to race but just sail round looking at the spectacular view, then they soon get bored and leave again. The members who stay are the ones who get bitten by the racing bug. Usualy. The best way of encouraging young people is to get them crewing on successfull boats then they get a feel for winning and want to do it them selves. We are lucky in having an elderly GP sailor who prefers nice light children and will usualy win in light airs. Countless children have started with him including two of my own one of whom has gone on to considerable success. Re reading this there is no inuendo intended.
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What they do down at chew sometimes on a saturday in the summer is to have races then for newbies to get used to racing and its not serious at all and just gets them used to the racing starts, and atmosphere
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MRJP BUZZ 585 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 May 06 at 8:26am
yea when i started sailing i was a bit scared to race as the people who did race were i thought really experienced, knew the rule book entirely and were in my eyes really fast. The best way to get into racing is to crew for sumone experienced
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