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alstorer 
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 Topic: What constitutes a mark rounding?Posted: 06 Nov 12 at 4:32pm |
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Pretty sue that as long as you don't hit the mark (as this boat did), then it is only the bits of the boat that are in the water that need pass "around" the mark- flying hulls, wings , canted over rigs etc can pass through the airspace above and even "inside" the mark all they want as long as contact isn't made.
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Andymac
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Posted: 06 Nov 12 at 2:41pm |
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I guess this picture deserves a link in this thread. [They didn't quite pull it off]. The narrative at the bottom of the page suggests they took this approach because of spectator boats, which were comprimising their rounding. http://www.yachtracingimageoftheyear.com/award2012/kristin-browne/
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JimC
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Posted: 30 Aug 12 at 10:36am |
That's easy: its a gross breach of good manners, hence RRS69 [grin] |
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catmandoo
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Posted: 30 Aug 12 at 9:52am |
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Ah but thats a completely different scenario and not in question , however i would take from the above isaf clarification , that once you had satisfied the requirement of " completly returned to the course side of the finish line "
you could. THEN finish correctly if your subsequent finishing involved flying a hull over the mark , in fact does it even matter how you return "completely"to the course side of the line , as wether you flew a hull over the line on the way back is immaterial as once "completely" on course side of the line , Just dont spin round ends on one hull So get "completely " course side. Then approach again flying a hull as high as you can , after all its what us cats like best  Raises question , does hitting the ro with your board constitute hitting a mark ,or bad etiquette
Edited by catmandoo - 30 Aug 12 at 9:58am |
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gordon
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Posted: 23 Aug 12 at 10:14pm |
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However.... consider rule 44.2... when a boat takes a penalty at or near the finishing line, she shall sail completely to the course side of the line before finishing. In this particular instance you cannot fly a hull, or any part of the hull, equipment or crew over the mark!
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Andymac
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Posted: 23 Aug 12 at 7:11pm |
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Blimey, 6 1/2 years for a definitive answer!
Well done for the update Catmandoo.
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catmandoo
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Posted: 23 Aug 12 at 1:47pm |
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ISAF Racing Rules Question and Answer Service D 003 Q&A 2009-014Published: 09 January 2009 Question A catamaran on port tack approaches a leeward mark to be left to port. Does a catamaran that "flies" its port (windward) hull over, and possibly to windward of, a leeward mark comply with the requirements of rule 28.1 in relation to that mark rounding? The starboard hull is the only hull in the water (creating a track) and this hull passes the mark correctly. Answer Yes. |
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 4:57pm |
Whatever |
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JimC
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 4:25pm |
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If you really want a complicated situation imagine a cat that misjudges the run up to the mark and lifts the windward hull to clear the mark, and the rig then hits an outside/leeward boat. The helm of inside dumps the main and the windward hull hits the mark.
Its agreed by both parties that if the cat had approached the mark with both hulls in the water and far enough out not to hit the mark then outside had left enough room for inside to get round the mark. Who does how many circles and why? |
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far canal
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Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 1:18pm |
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not really , cats are meant to sail at optimum with windward hull "Normally " "just " out the water . When doing wild thing offwind sometimes it pays to lift win ward hull pretty high and with no board down either . got a rudder though ! Scoobys scenario - if plate was in the water - but other side of mark (pretty small one ) I would agree , not rounding , but going over ! As for letting anyone do it otherwise , I have no problems , i doubt there is anything in the rules to stop them anyway , adds colour to the occaison and good photo ops .
Better to concentrate on race rather than antics Edited by far canal |
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