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BBSCFaithfull
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Topic: Slalom SailingPosted: 23 Dec 05 at 7:08pm |
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just stick to normal sailing guys we love the sport for what it is not what other people want it to be!1
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 5:16pm |
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I used to be a fairly good slalom canoeist and there was a lot of debate maybe 15 years ago about making that more television friendly. They even changed the rules to make the sport less technical. It never managed to break through to large TV audiences and unless you canoed I suspect you couldn't really follow what was going on. Also they only televised the top people so relatively few spills to excite the punters.
Introducing slalom to sailing for the TV cameras could have the same sort of effect - not much greater TV audiences, only sailors understanding what's going on and only filming the top sailors so minimal incidents. |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 2:53pm |
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Yes I had figured that out. But if you watch sailboards doing slalom courses, they don't actually crash into each other very much, for two very good reasons. 1. if this is the kind of racing you do, you practice and get good at it 2. crashing hurts, especially on high-speed slalom courses, so you try pretty hard to avoid it. By the way, I did slalom racing in my windsurfing days, so I've actually had some experience of it. As for lots of capsizes; is everyone so bad at gybing then? I suspect if you were going to be shown doing it on the TV (as was the suggestion in the original post), you'd practice first so you didn't capsize. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 2:34pm |
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Although the idea is still in its infancy, the plan for the 300's was to have two slalom courses side by side and drag race each other down them. If that isn't enough to provide good spectating, then we'll have to share the centre gybe mark between the two boats as well! Either way, it'll be interesting to see the reaction!
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 2:08pm |
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In windsurfing, pre short boards (25 years ago!), there used to be a slalom event as part of the youth nationals. It consisted of 2 lines of 3 marks laid into the wind eg looks like a six on a dice. One board started on port and went up the portside line of bouys and the other started on starboard and went up the startboard line of bouys, tacking round the bouys. The boards would then cross over sides at the top and gybe down the other line of bouys, cross over at the bottom and then repeat the course and finish on a run. This was always the most fun at these events with a large group of supporters on shore cheering on the sailors as the course was set a few meters from shore.
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 1:18pm |
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But they don't have a competition to see who can breath fastest..........
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Gybing and tacking must be two of the most over-complicated things in the world. You do it so often you don't even think about it, like breathing. |
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Hector
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 12:50pm |
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Done downwind slalom in Lasers - if the marks line up straight (or near straight) you can run by the lee so far that you don't have to gybe . If the marks are offset but 'close' overtaking is very difficult. It's such a different game that it would be best to introduce new rules. So do away with 'water' rules, touching marks and other boats would be ok, - more or less anything goes - That's great fun when done as a lighthearted 'game' where participants understand that avoiding damage is important. As a serious competition it would be interesting to watch - but not in my boat! |
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 12:25pm |
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For sailboards it's a valid form of competition, because it is close to what short-board sailors do anyway, and particularly if run with the inshore buoy in the surf, it is a serious test of skill. For dinghies it would be real dumbing-down to a single skill which shouldn't be that hard anyway: gybing. It doesn't sound that exciting to me to watch either, once the novelty wore off. Then again, I'm not a spectator by nature. |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 12:46am |
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I've done lots of it in windsurfers, with various sorts of boards and various sorts of courses.
The best in many ways was the old pro World Cup style of downwind slalom in surf. One lines of marks was laid in the impact zone, the other near the beach in just enough water for the fins. You'd zig-zag down the beach on a reach, dodging or jumping waves and sometimes have to gybe the slalom board right on the curling wave or lose time. We had one event in Sydney in mast-high waves that Robby Naish (world's greatest ever sailor?) reckoned was the best he'd ever had. It's great fun, and so is flat-water slalom on dinghies or longboards (flatwater slalom on shortboards seems a bit tame from memory). The original Windsurfer longboard class still survives here and we have slalom events at our titles. You do a W course on the first lap and a P course on the second. Six or 8 competitors per heat. Each heat takes about 3-5 minutes IIRC. (EDIT Actually I've blown slalom in the last two nationals by getting the course wrong in the heat of the moment so I may be wrong about it being a W followed by P )Should be more of it. We had an Open on Windsurfers a fortnight ago with the first slalom we've done in ages. Apparently people (dinghy racers and passers-by) were lining up to watch it, because it's fast and easy to watch and you're within 100 m of the shore. Would be great on dinghies. Edited by Chris 249 |
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