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    Posted: 14 Dec 05 at 1:24pm

I have been having some really good starts as of late.  I go out there and say that i'm not going to mess around on the line and stay out of trouble and i always seem to be first off the line. And I sail on a river.  Use reverse tactics it the best way

 



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Originally posted by Harry44981!


  • Don't hang back, if you think everyone is likely to be over, stay with them, but keep your numbers hidden, and you won't get caught (you probably wont be over as people tend to be cautious, especially under the black flag)

  • I think this of key importance! At the 400 nationals this yr people were going well ahead of the rest of the fleet and getting away with it! So we decided to just say sod it and keep our jib in front of the boat furthest forward and to windward!

    It's a balancing act - a poor start is often not much worse than an OCS

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    Originally posted by Harry44981!


  • Don't hang back, if you think everyone is likely to be over, stay with them, but keep your numbers hidden, and you won't get caught (you probably wont be over as people tend to be cautious, especially under the black flag)


  • I think this of key importance! At the 400 nationals this yr people were going well ahead of the rest of the fleet and getting away with it! So we decided to just say sod it and keep our jib in front of the boat furthest forward and to windward!

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    Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowhammer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 05 at 11:30am

    Originally posted by grimupnorth

    - Useful basic start-handling exercise #1 - imagine a rectangular box 2 lengths deep, one edge of which is the start line, the other edge is 2 lengths back.  Practice getting yourself inside the box, on any tack, but under control, 10 seconds before a start signal, and stay there.  Sounds ludicrously simple, but hard to do at first in a high-performance boat.  You could do a version of this on your own, just using a mark - aim to position yourself within 2 lengths to leeward, close-hauled, to a countdown.

    Originally posted by Harry44981!

    Most important of all: practice boathandling, so you can manouver well on the line and accelarate quickly

    Some great advice all round, and 'grim' and Harry have nailed it for me.

    Must be difficult in a shifty breeze when you have little headway to manoeuvre and you may be partly blanketed ... guess you have to work the sails and keep room to bear off into? Easier said than done.

    Bet I mess up a few peoples starts for them, as well as my own ... won't be popular in the bar!



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    Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 7:41pm

    As above you need to plan your start and plan your defenses to what people might try in you.

    Which end of the line do you want (and how am I going to defend it?)

     

    Do I have a boat that can point high, if so you can create a gap below you by squeesing up but you then have to ensure someone does then not grab your nice gap below you.

    Can you tack quickly?

    You also need to understand the fleet you are in - is there a "stuffer" who will always sail people into irons even if it is slow for them too etc..... 

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    Originally posted by Harry44981!

    In the toppers with consistantly 120+ boats at national qualifiers, and up to 150 boats on a line at the nats and inlands (with 4 flights) starting is the most important part of a race, a bad one is practically the end of your race. The things I've learn't are:

    • Plan your start:-
    • Get a transit- so you know exactly where the line is- important when there's line sag
    • Work out the line bias and start close to the favoured end- a big advantage on a long line
    • Accelarate slightly before others (literaly split second), to pop your nose out in front, be at full speed at the gun
    • Get a gap to leward to foot off into , AFTER the gun. If you go reaching off into it before the gun yopu get too close too leward boat.
    • Be aggressive, to protect your position/ fill in a gap in the line at the last minute. but be aware of your rights and limitations regaring the RRS
    • Don't hang back, if you think everyone is likely to be over, stay with them, but keep your numbers hidden, and you won't get caught (you probably wont be over as people tend to be cautious, especially under the black flag)
    • You will find that some helms roll the boat to leward and pump out of it to gain a bit of speed as you start to accelarate, or flick the leech once to give you an extra 1/4 boatlenght, and 'pop' out of the front. Some say this is cheating, and you shouldn't do it, but I think one pump will be ignored  as 'yellow light' zone, or whatever it's called in rule 42 interprtation.
    • Most important of all: practice boathandling, so you can manouver well on the line and accelarate quickly

    If you do all that then you'll have a pretty good chance of a good start.

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    Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 7:16pm

    In the toppers with consistantly 120+ boats at national qualifiers, and up to 150 boats on a line at the nats and inlands (with 4 flights) starting is the most important part of a race, a bad one is practically the end of your race. The things I've learn't are:

    • Plan your start:-
    • Get a transit- so you know exactly where the line is- important when there's line sag
    • Work out the line bias and start close to the favoured end- a big advantage on a long line
    • Accelarate slightly before others (literaly split second), to pop your nose out in front, be at full speed at the gun
    • Get a gap to leward to foot off into , AFTER the gun. If you go reaching off into it before the gun yopu get too close too leward boat.
    • Be aggressive, to protect your position/ fill in a gap in the line at the last minute. but be aware of your rights and limitations regaring the RRS
    • Don't hang back, if you think everyone is likely to be over, stay with them, but keep your numbers hidden, and you won't get caught (you probably wont be over as people tend to be cautious, especially under the black flag)
    • You will find that some helms roll the boat to leward and pump out of it to gain a bit of speed as you start to accelarate, or flick the leech once to give you an extra 1/4 boatlenght, and 'pop' out of the front. Some say this is cheating, and you shouldn't do it, but I think one pump will be ignored  as 'yellow light' zone, or whatever it's called in rule 42 interprtation.
    • Most important of all: practice boathandling, so you can manouver well on the line and accelarate quickly
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    Originally posted by Bumble

    I don't know about twin trapezes but my RS600 is close, right? So I find, compared to the Scorpion, you can accelerate very quickly...... 2 boat lengths to top speed. So all the fleet is lining up, you fly in on a close port tack reach, tack into a big hole 5 secs from the gun, then reach down fast as you can till your in clear air..... then your on for a great beat............ works for me.

    Dream on bumble ... 2 boat lengths to full speed ...

    As for big gaps they are not ALWAYS there ...

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    I don't know about twin trapezes but my RS600 is close, right? So I find, compared to the Scorpion, you can accelerate very quickly...... 2 boat lengths to top speed. So all the fleet is lining up, you fly in on a close port tack reach, tack into a big hole 5 secs from the gun, then reach down fast as you can till your in clear air..... then your on for a great beat............ works for me.
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    I think the key is to visualise a plan then do it; rather than letting the start happen to you ...

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