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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Can't see a problem in this case - you are playing the same game, using the same rules, in boats that aren't too different - not like a 70 footer v's a Sonata or something. Should you have carried on and sailed them off the course? I guess that would depend upon what the fleet had been doing up to that time - if the racing was pretty cut throat, then yes, why not? If the rules were just being used to know who had RoW for the rest of the series, then maybe a little out of place.
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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The case I think Jeffers maybe referring to was in sail juice series. I believe faster boat on first start hung around to sit on slower boat in second start. The defence was that since results were for same overall series was ok. Caused a bit of bad feeling at the time.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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SA Thread here Includes Case 78 quoted in full, and discussion about boats of significantly different size in an IRC race, but NOT two different races. Attacking a boat in a different race would break rule 24 Interfering with another boat.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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The faster boat was also in a different start to the slower boat and they hung around part way up the beat to pin the slower boat down too which was what caused more of the furore I believe.
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Quagers ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 279 |
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I think for me that's where it crosses into unsporting. If it's in one design, or closely matched handicap boats then fair enough, the better match racer will win, it's still sailing skill. However if one boat is significantly fast enough that every time the slower boat breaks free they can just regain the lead I think it's a douche move.
Unfortunately the rules can't make judgement calls like that and it's all fair game, but I think the first situation wouldn't lose you too many friends wheras the second has the chance to make you a bit of a outcast at the fleet party.
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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IIRC, there was a long thread a while ago on SA about a similar situation from the US. But in that situation, again IIRC, there was a big difference in speeds between the fast and slow boats - i.e. there was no realistic way for the slow boat to break the cover, and the faster boat covered from the gun.
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SteveB00 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 13 Location: Sydney, Oz Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
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Thanks. I stand exonerated.
Steve = : ^ )
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Case 78. Improving your series standing is a sporting reason.
Case 15. Windward/astern boat pinning out at a mark Sorry a bit short and untidy: on the mobile. Edited by Brass - 01 Apr 15 at 8:28am |
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SteveB00 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 13 Location: Sydney, Oz Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
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Thanks for the reply. Personally, I'd be prepared to cop it, and prepared to gybe away pretty early in the piece. I don't blame someone for looking at the big picture, though the fact that I wasn't prepared to push it further this time was because I expected the other boat would be angry.
I might add that the final race was sailed in light conditions, we beat the bigger boat by three places and won the series by half a point, making the second year in a row we've won by half a point(!) The skipper of the other boat came over and congratulated us – but he slipped in a mention of this incident. ;-) Thanks again, Steve = : ^ )
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I'm pretty sure ISAF released a Q&A a couple of years ago which specifically said a faster boat match racing a slower boat to the back wasn't in breach of the rules if no other rules were broken. However opinion was sharply divided amongst posters at the time over whether it could be considered sporting.
A lot will depend on your local fleet's culture I expect. Edited by JimC - 01 Apr 15 at 2:30am |
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