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    Posted: 25 Jul 13 at 10:16am
Hi Latestarter
Have a look at the JJ boats web site he does a stunning version of the double bottom Phantom with deep cockpit well where your legs go.
Also easy to perch on down wind.
Could solve all your reservations if not a cheap option.

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The old single floor Phantoms were great boats for those of us who are tall & heavy. However, I found the self drainers to be way less comfortable, but then my knees are shot after too many years Laser sailing !  

I think there's a lot of agreement that in terms of being competitive on a pond a modern Phantom takes some beating for big guys, but as this thread has shown there are some different views around how comfortable they are. I guess the amount of pain you're prepared to take is one factor !     The best course of action to me would be to try and get a demo ride,  I've always found the Phantom guys to be a friendly bunch so I'm sure this wouldn't be a problem. 
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I'm the same height as you, but just a bit lighter at 97kg and sail a Phantom. The size of the cockpit is a revelation after being hunched up in so many other boats. I would also love a Contender, but I do think that a mid sized inland location (which is what I sail on as well) is just too sheltered to make the most of a Contender. At our height and weight (with the much higher leverage) windward capsizes are a fair bit more frequent as well. 
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Originally posted by Newuk

I like that, thanks.  it puts it into perspective.

I also remember a previous comment mentioning about heavy wind in land = gusty which is very true for the lake i sail at 

how much drama is trapeze a single helm in gusty conditions?

it's a personal question- I find it quite a lot of drama, I'm not quick enough in the lulls and capsize to windward!!!!  But then I'm sh*t, don't get loads of time on the water and am highly impatient when someone mentions 'learning curves'- favouring boats you jump and progressively get better at through tactics and subtle dialling-in, rather than set piece boat handling.
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Hi NEW
If you want to try a Phantom Wimbleball has a few, or Castle cove I think, but if you are anywhere near the Solent Please let me know and you can have a go in mine.
Despite some negative comments the Phantom has a lot off tall people sailing even me at a dwarf like 6'2" and over 100kg. (Sorry GRF)
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I like that, thanks.  it puts it into perspective.

I also remember a previous comment mentioning about heavy wind in land = gusty which is very true for the lake i sail at 

how much drama is trapeze a single helm in gusty conditions?
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If I were that tall I'd far rather be in a Finn or a Contender than a phantom.  Gil Wooley over in the states is that size and happily sails his contender.  As do some heavy Brits and some tall Europeans.It's like any boat, you accep you'll suffer when it's light and smile when it's windy. 
the same, but different...

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Go for it... but if you've got phantoms to race against don't underestimate the value someone else to properly race against brings to the love of our sport.

As for the Finn, I don't think it's fair to categorise one as better than the other.  For sure, I would personally prefer a Finn to a Phantom, despite the weight difference- those unstayed rigs are just something to marvel and the build quality of the modern Devoti boat is just phenomenal! 
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Sure, having read up on the Finn the Phantom does look a better boat for me also i dont think i have seen anyone sailing a finn at my lake but there are a few phantom sailers there

I know i will end up with a phantom eventualky but would love a contender first looks lime a lot of fun
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Don't get me wrong, Contenders are very nice boats...  they are even better in a blow.  If you are heavy, increase that wind by a bit.  If you are heavy and not as nimble as you once were, remember that inland 'heavy wind equals gusty'... not ideal when trapping and hitting a lull.  

The other thing- boom height.  There's not much clearance on a Contender.  You risk getting wedged!!!!

  


Thanks I'm fit and as nimble as a person my height can be, I had a walk round the boat park yesterday and there were a couple contenders there so will put a notice up on the board to see if i can get a test sail on one
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