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    Posted: 13 Jun 12 at 10:50pm
What's your secret to handling them?

Had an awful sail, last night.  North wind from out of the city, all gusty and shifty with lots of dead patches of air.  Was running 16 knots with 28 knot gusts.  I was in a single handed hiker.

Obviously, watch the water surface, but I was hitting pockets that weren't showing clearly.

I'm okay with gusts - hike out, turn up, sheet out.  As well, you seem to have more time.  Boat can almost be sideways and still recover.  With a lull, a few inches and your backside is in the water.  A more inches more and you're inspecting for zebra mussel infestations on the lake bottom.  It happens too quick.

I tried the opposite to the gust techniques- turn down, move in, sheet in - but it really wasn't working for me.  In the end, cowardly me stuck near the centre of the boat, shedding much of the wind rather than playing it.  There's got to be a better way.

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Depends how agile you are? The best people just move in at whatever rate is necessary.
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Just move quicker - and don't sheet in tighter - see the thread about leech tension.

I'd say your gust technique was a bit the wrong way round, too. Sheet first, then hike, to keep the boat flatter, as you can sheet faster than you can move. Others may have different advice...
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If the conditions are as described give the sailing a miss and go straight to the bar....... Big smile

Seriously; you could try sailing more freely (not pointing as high) to help even out the lulls & backers and giving yourself more steerage, more options & more time - less like walking a tightrope, more like walking a plank. On a time over distance basis you might find this is a quicker way to go upwind in gusty, flukey conditions.
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buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...
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Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...


is that working for you at BSC with MPS? Or have you moved clubs yet?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 12 at 3:53pm
Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...

Are you sure about that? My impression is that they are magnified. Sail fast enough into a big enough hole and your own apparent will backwind the jib and push the boat on top of you.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 12 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...

Are you sure about that? My impression is that they are magnified. Sail fast enough into a big enough hole and your own apparent will backwind the jib and push the boat on top of you.
I'm definitely not saying your wrong but wouldn't that then happen to any boat that was sailing faster than the true wind?
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it depends on the gusts...sometimes they are big down-drafts, in which case the wind fans out as it hits the water, causing direction changes that are far more problematical than the changes in velocity.

Have a read here for more about downdrafts and velocity headers

If not, the wind range you describe should see you at least fully powered at all times - it's then just a matter of fast hands, easing to depower and re-sheeting in the lulls. Also, remember that grabbing anything handy and pulling yourself to leeward as the boat heels to ww, exacerbates the problem by pulling the boat on top of you. Sometimes it is better, in extremis, to let the water, helped by your buoyancy aid, take your weight and yes I know doing this will slow the boat. Less pleasant to do when the water is 1 degree C tho.

And if it is really silly, there are times where the expedient thing to do is not to hike to the max because it inhibits your ability to respond to a big lull but to sail more conservatively, aka badly. This is known as a bad-practice day - don't let it lure you into bad habits!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 12 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Neptune

buy a faster boat so that as they are more apparent wind driven so the lulls are damped out a bit...


is that working for you at BSC with MPS? Or have you moved clubs yet?

The lulls are the least of my issues  Ouch
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