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    Posted: 09 Mar 11 at 4:50pm
I am a 46 year old relative novice and I am looking for a boat which does not exist unless you advise otherwise.
I have 3 young kids the eldest being 7 and who loves sailing
I learned in a Pico and love them and would have one tomorrow but it just does not match my requirements whic are
 
1 Fun boat and not some big old bucket-
2 Can he manouvred into water by myself so relatively light
3 Ideally can be sailed single handed even perhaps by dropping the jib
4 Is big enough to put at least a couple of young kids in with me ( and at a squeeze my wife) for a bit of fun- we are all relatively small
5 I am on a budget so no brand new models- I would like to get something for £1000 but could go to perhaps £1500
 
Suggestions put forward thus far
1 RS Feva ( top end of budget)
2 Toper Magno ( as above)
3 Graduate
4 Miracle
5 National 12 ( these look fun)
6 Pacer
 
I have not sailed nor indeed seen any of these in the flesh.
 
I am keen to get out there so any advice would be gratefully received. Wacko
 
 
 
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I have no experience with the boats mentioned above, apart from the feva, which i would of said is a bit small for your needs. Another thought would be possibly a GP14, its larger so moving on land would be harder but by no means impossible, it also has room for the kids to grow into and would fit the whole  family in. Main could be reefed so no problem with sailing it by yourself.

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I don't think a grad or a N12 would be a good idea for you at your level of experience. They're both out-and-out racing dinghies and the N12 is rather tippy. You might not mind ending up in the water but what about your children? Could you cope with a panicking child and a capsized boat? Fevas and Magnos are just pieces of plastic crap IMO. So really you're down to the Miracle and Pacer, both designs by the late, great Jack Holt. Probably not much between them. I'd also recommend that you take a serious look at the Heron. Although it's smaller and slower than the Miracle or Pacer, it's a lot more stable. It was also designed to accommodate two adults and two children so should fulfil your capacity requirement.
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A big question is material, are you happy to do the maintenance on a wood boat, if so your choices are far higher.

The Feva is going to be too small, shame, because its a nice boat, but not a hope of getting 4 people in one and still speaking to each other when you get ashore.
I'm personally not a fan of the Magno
The Grad might be a bit small, but worth trying.
The Miracle isn't going to be a bad match.
N12s are indeed super boats, but not for this task I fear.
Pacers are pretty rare in the UK these days I think.

Advice as always is to get in touch with the class associations and see if they can put you in touch with local owners who'll give you a trip round the bay. If they can't then probably good to cross that one off the list. Also worth asking at your local club. Everyone will be completely partisan for their own boats, but again you should get trips round the bay. Where you propose to sail also makes a big difference to what's suitable.
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I would say be realistic about the number of times you will sail the boat more than two or three up.  If you really want to sail with four or more then (and I know its a bit heavier) thinks about a wayfarer.  They can still race well on handicap even though they might fall in your big old bucket category.
 
the other possibility not on your list is a mirror, which Could be great for you and your 7 year old, or for you single handed 
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or of course a cat...
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You probably won't that many people in an RS Feva to be honest. You could have a look at the RS Vareo? I'm not sure about how much they are but they meet your requirements. A Laser Vago or Topaz Magno/Topaz Xenon would also work well :)
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Laser 2000, but would be hard to find one in budget.

I'd say Miracle but with wooden boats come work
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I highly recommend the Miracle. It can be used as a family boat which can take a combination of people including two adults and two kids at a squeeze.  It can be sailed single handed with or without the jib easily or with two persons for optimum performance.

Its light to launch single handed, fast enough to be fun, easy and safe.  There is a strong class association and you'll probably find them at most clubs around the uk.  If you're not after a wooden boat, which in my opinion can be fun to maintain if you've got the time, there is a GRP version which would be a bit costlier.  there is also a compostite GRP hull with wooden deck version. Butler Boats are the manufacturers.

Have a look at the Miracle Class Association website for more information and maybe get to try one out for yourself.   I learnt to sail in a wooden Miracle and despite moving on to a faster boat I still have a lot of respect for it.

Regarding the other boats you mention.  My opinion is that the Feva would be too small, the National 12 too challenging, The Magno pretty good for size and low maintenance with the option to use a kite but maybe a bit heavy to handle on land, Graduate would be heavy, Pacer - don't know anything about it I'm afraid.

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The Magno is pretty small for 2 adults, let alone with kids. Miracle would be the best bet if you don't mind wood, but there are also a whole plethora of GRP boats out there, such as the Otter, Skipper, Pacer (as mentioned)  which would do the job of getting you on the water cheaply while you gain confidence and decide what sort of sailing you'll end up doing most of. Trouble is, they are likely to be a little bit old and sad, in need of TLC.
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