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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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Have a look at the below picture; The top system is the standard 4:1 purchase on the Musto Skiff, the blocks hook into two loops one each side of the sail (same as a 29er & 49er). What is the purchase ratil of system A & B? In in the case of B is the purchase ratio the same on starboard and port? There must be some mechanics graducates out there ... regards,
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ioanlavery ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 04 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 100 |
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can i ask why the interest in getting more purchase?
I'm guessing that this controls the cunningham right? |
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For the record I believe A= 8:1 & B=6:1 and that B offers the same advantage both sides. See below; But I am open to correction... |
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Yep - cunningham. In a breeze you use loads and an extra purchase makes it easier to uncleat at the windward mark as there is less tension in the rope. Class rules limit this to 6:1 Rick |
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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With B I think that you would have different loads going through each of the hooks which may give problems depending on how they attach to the sail. How much space is there between the hooks and the deck and what sort of fittings are there on the deck to attach to? |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Yeah, not the cleverest of rules that one... Its desirable to have equal loads on both sides of the sail and quite challenging to do that with a 6:1 purchase. All you could do I think would be to have a 3:1 each side of the sail, giving a 12:1, then have a 1:2 maybe on the lead out to each side to bring it down to 6:1 again. If 4:1 is inadequate I think you should start a campaign to change the rule to 8:1 limit: probably be cheaper than 6:1!
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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6:1 is tricky if you want to get the tail out to both sides. The only thing that I can think of to give you feed out to both sides is a straight strop from each hook to a moving tripple block in the center then double block at base of mast as a turning for the purchase giving the whole thing as a 6:1 and then two singles to take the line out to each side. |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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Thought I would draw what I was thinking about It gives the 6:1 in a small space so you should not have any problems with range but is is expensave in blocks |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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I think those ratios are correct. The advantage must be the same on both sides. It is the same bit of string and therefore the tension in it must be the same over its whole length. |
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ianwat2212 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 11 Dec 04 Location: South Africa Online Status: Offline Posts: 88 |
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Only if it's inelastic (but thats just being pedantic) |
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