Vago as a first boat?

   Hi.
I know another boat question from me but this time its diferent.!

My dad has been on the saftet boats for 2 years and now he wants to get into the sailing game (god help us all) not really im sure he'll do fine.

He has had a few lessons in a Club topaz but found it to flat and to close to the water for his liking and to small.

I was thinking the Vago with the Dacron S rig sail.

Could the S rig be:

A good 1st time boat to teach him to sail for the first time as a hiking dinghy (while reefed I assume)
Be fast and exiting when he gains confidence.
Be powerful enough to sail singlehanded by a 60KG sailor on the Wire
(reefed again unless light)

Be powerful enough to sail double handed with one on the wire.
(combined crew weight of 115 KG) or is the XD sail needed?

anyway thanks for any advise on the vago or alternatives?
Must be made of "nasty plastic" so its easy to maintain or simular

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zailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249	Post Options Post Reply Quote zailor Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Vago as a first boat? Posted: 06 Jul 09 at 8:41pm
	Hi. I know another boat question from me but this time its diferent.! My dad has been on the saftet boats for 2 years and now he wants to get into the sailing game (god help us all) not really im sure he'll do fine. He has had a few lessons in a Club topaz but found it to flat and to close to the water for his liking and to small. I was thinking the Vago with the Dacron S rig sail. Could the S rig be: A good 1st time boat to teach him to sail for the first time as a hiking dinghy (while reefed I assume) Be fast and exiting when he gains confidence. Be powerful enough to sail singlehanded by a 60KG sailor on the Wire (reefed again unless light) Be powerful enough to sail double handed with one on the wire. (combined crew weight of 115 KG) or is the XD sail needed? anyway thanks for any advise on the vago or alternatives? Must be made of "nasty plastic" so its easy to maintain or simular

radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 09 at 9:58pm
	The Vago is a tippy boat. I'd go for a Topper Magno if it had to be plastic.

olly_love Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 18 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1145	Post Options Post Reply Quote olly_love Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 09 at 10:57pm
	vago is shocking< way to bow high and all crap fittings as normall on a laser,
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Ross Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ross Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 09 at 11:42pm
	Topper Magno is even worse. A whole new world of terrible from my experiences. Laser 3000 is much better than both and can be picked up cheaply.
	Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it!

hollandsd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853	Post Options Post Reply Quote hollandsd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 7:13am
	but the 3000 is even closer to the water than the topaz....
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laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 9:09am
	laser 2000 is a good boat, not plastic but pretty hardwearing!

alstorer Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899	Post Options Post Reply Quote alstorer Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 9:23am
	Aye. To be honest, a hardy grp boat is no more bother to keep in good nick than a rotomold unless you're a careless idiot or running a sailing school. Plus, they're easier to do minor repairs on in the odd event that it is needed.
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Webmuppet Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 11 Mar 06 Location: Suffolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 534	Post Options Post Reply Quote Webmuppet Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 10:33am
	Having sailed both the Magno and Vago (and also the Topaz Vibe which hasn't yet been mentioned) - the Vago is probably the best of the three for use as a single hander. I've seen them sailed at Minorca Sailing as a single handed trapeze boat using a long tiller extension borrowed from one of their RS700s. I think that you need a pretty windy day to get it to work in that configuration, I sailed it as a single handed hiking boat on a day with lighter winds and it was OK. The only thing that I found disconcerting is that the Vago's hull seemed to flex a lot (more than other rotomoulded boats that I've sailed). Another boat which might fit his requirements is the RS Vareo it's got a higher freeboard than some of the boats already suggested, there's a smaller 'fun sail' available for it and the because they've been out for a few years, there's a few for sale at a variety of prices. Admitedly its not rotomoulded but it is very robust boat and might be worth considering. Nigel
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 10:56am
	I would avoid trying to get multiple roles (to grow in to) out the boat. Assuming he wants a singlehander, you can do no better than learning in a Laser (Radial if he is 60kg). It'll teach everything he needs to know, and will be easy to sell on (with v low depreciation) when/if he gets bored of it. If the Laser is too uncomfy (and its not THAT bad), then he could try a Comet. RS make the Q'ba now, which is sort of a rotomoulded Laser. It looks okay, but don't think it offers anything your dad would want that a Laser doesn't. I would avoid the racier boats like the Solo, Blaze, Supernova, Byte and Europe for a first boat. Its not that they are that much more difficult, but thay are (generally) more expensive, harder to find (and sell) and have individual foibles (fully battened sails, traveller, wings, fragile construction, tippy etc) that are best avoided for the first 6 months of sailing.

Adam MR 1137 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 10 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 114	Post Options Post Reply Quote Adam MR 1137 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 09 at 11:03am
	We have magno's sailing at our club, and they are ideal for using to train people in take the bumps really well, not too difficult to sail, and plenty of space. They are not bad boats for people to take the next step and learn to race in and improve their skills, but I would not reccomend trying to learn singlehanded sailing in one though, the controls are not ideally led for one person to use all three sails, although I have not tried the rig with just the main, with so much boat under it I am sure it would feel unbalanced and under powered.
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