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    Posted: 17 Jul 08 at 4:13pm

Looking to buy my first dinghy. (given up car racing fuel too expensive). am booked into do my RYA courses.

I am a heavyweight (18 stone). in short term once mastered basics, i want to race.

i have 3 sons aged 8, 11 and 14 who i hope would crew /use boat.

Iam thinking about a mirror as a starter craft. seem quite robust. reasonably cheap. kids could use without me.

my question is on the mirror website, http://www.ukmirrorsailing.com/mca/statistics.htm it says hull below sheerline = 1.15 cubic meters and, complete weight 135lbs.

weight of water displaced 1.15m= 2535lbs http://www.onlineconversion.com/waterweight.htm

net = 2400 lbs ignoring buoyancy (which may not make a difference.

my weight = 18x14 = 252lbs

therefore i could have 7 fat friends in boat with me before it sank. doesn't seem right.

joking aside. my point is that with my weight and a crew, the boat is unlikely to have too much weight in it.

can anybody recomend a more suitable boat if there is one out there

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I think you would find a Mirror a little to small. It's mainly sailed by 2 kids or 1 adult alone and has a smallish sail area.

An Enterprise or GP14 would be a better place to start. Or you could look at a Laser 2000.

Best do the RYA courses first and ask for advice on them. Also have a look at what is sailed at your local club, if they have some club boats try them out to see what you like.

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Hugh is right - a mirror would be hideously uncomfortable.   Don't just think about displacement, think about space - room under the boom, around the cockpit etc.  Enjoy your course first then look around and take advice from your instructors/the locals.  Where are you sailing?
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Ahh it does remind me of doing one of those paddle round the buoy and back again with as many people as possible on a topper, i think we got 14 kids on and it still didn't sink!
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Displacement needed to stop the boat immediately disappearing under the waves is not the issue. The figure you need for a sailing boat is the one that will not sink the ends of the boat sufficiently that it becomes frustratingly slow and sails badly - plus the room in the boat issue of course.

A Mirror is going to be very small for you. There are a bunch of choices - for instance of the more traditional classes the good old Wayfarer can carry a good weight and a bunch of people in a satisfactory manner, but as people have said check out what's happening locally.
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i am in bath, although maybe moving to torbay shortly.

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Have fun on your course, as the above as said ask your instructors.

Also, would your sons regularly race with you?  Or is going to more of a singlehanded job?  Budget?

Anyways, welcome to the sport and wish you all the best


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If you are in Bath the obvious club to go for is Chew Valley, but the waiting list might be off putting. You could also look at Shearwater - a small, family friendly club in the Longleat Estate where they do sail some of the more traditional types of dinghy.  If you're going to move to Torbay then Paignton has an excellent dinghy club.
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/\ All has been said.

There are many boats out there suitable for you, these include the Laser 2000, Laser Vago, RS 200, RS Vision. Then there are the less expensive options of a GP14, Enterprise or maybe a Lark

Most important thing is to learn loads from your course, enjoy it and then look to trying before buying. There is the Southampton Boat show in September, probably the best time to view all boats, buy gear and experience what is on offer.
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Speaking from experience, a Lark doesn't carry weight well - especially in the 'back seat' . They don't have the roomiest of cockpits either. Great boat for 22-24 Stone all up weight, but 1at 8St you'll find it frustrating - stick to GP, Wayfarer, or Ent.

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