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    Posted: 16 Oct 06 at 11:51pm
Helming from the wire: Dagger or frying pan grip? I go for the frying pan but a bit more sideways like a tennis racquet grip.

Which is easier to trim the main? Which do you like and why? Discuss.
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I don't take the main when i'm helming so that's not an issue. I find when i first go out after a tack I'm using the dagger grip as it's easier to hook on, then I switch to frying pan for comfort.

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Both !

Depends on what I am doing!

Light stuff I tend to go for Dagger with the tiller on my sholder as it is easier to  move around, Medium wind up hill is usually the same, stronger up wind is usually pan/ or even under my arm so I can hold the main in aft hand amd play Downhaul / mast rotation in front hand.

Downwind is usually pan as it allows me to also hold the traveller in aft hand as well.

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I tend to use the frying pan.

the dagger grip tends to mean i get caught up in either my harness or
wetsuit/spray top, that means panic and usually swimming time.

pan grip is easier and quicker for tacking as you haven't got to think about
changing your grip before the tack.

also an interesting question, can anyone remember exactly how they tack
from wire to wire off the water, as i have tried to show people and really
can't remember!

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Pretty much always frying pan, it gives you a more sensitive feel for the boat and you can steer much more smoothly like that too.  I only chance to dagger and hold it infront of me when i need to play the main quickly, like on a gusty reach. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote m_liddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 12:06pm

Originally posted by Strawberry

I don't take the main when i'm helming so that's not an issue.

Your crew does both main and asy downwind?



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Originally posted by m_liddell

Originally posted by Strawberry

I don't take the main when i'm helming so that's not an issue.

Your crews does both main and asy downwind?



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Dagger for me, I've tried frying pan but I cant get the finesse. Tiller sits on rear shoulder. Only time this changes is when crew is on wire behind me and I am sitting on board.

As for wire to wire tacks.

1. Push tiller slowly away, having remembered to declare intentions to crew.

2. Shuffle back from shroud to stern to sink tail as boat slows.

3. When battens crack, swing in from wire, ease mainsheet 18".

4. Smack crew on head with released trapese ring.

5. Cross boat.

6. As boat heels, slide back into centre of trampoline.

7. Shout at crew to keep the bloody thing flat.

8. Sheet back in and hook on.

9. Transfer mainsheet to rear hand, grab handle with front hand.

10. Remember for the third week running that your boots have no grip left. Make mental note to replace them.

11. Shove arse over the side, try and catch weight with legs somehow.

12. Wait a couple of minutes for boat to pick up speed again.

13. Blame crew.

Although this sequence may seem easy it's important to remember that it's far more difficult in a heavy sea, when, more often than not, you are required to reverse the boat out of irons.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote m_liddell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 06 at 12:38pm
I guess for cat sailors this may be different since they (usually) have aft mainsheet.

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Not sure it's relevant for you but... Dagger in front of chest. I find with Frying pan that when at the front of the boat (singlehander don't forget) the end of the extension hits my backside and my hand is twisted so the palm is facing into the boat. Dagger always feels the same - unless I manage to get the extension through the trapeze ring or inside my harness straps!
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