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Dangerousday ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 79 |
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As there is are increasing discussions over T-foil rudders and foils I'm curious about them, never having actually seen any in the flesh, how are the rudders attached to the transom? I'm assuming there is a vertically upward force created by these rudders, so the regular arrangement of pintles to drop the rudder on, with a springy clip to stop it dropping off when capsized/turtled won't work as it wouldn't an upwards load. So how's it done? Anyone got a picture or link? |
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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I have a load of pics of one of the top 14's rudder assembly and also primal scream's (cherub). If you want them give me your email.
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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![]() This is our rudder on the Cherub. The stock is fixed with a metal rod on which the angle of attack is adjusted. The blade is pushed down through the stock and fixed in place by the aluminium tube at the top. Thats about it really! |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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this one basically rocks around the bottom pintal on your normal rod. and you can see the rudder blade lock dangerling on a bit of string.
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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The rudder and Gantry on AquaMarina with the blade of the T fixed in the rudder, the stock rotates to change the angle of attack.
this is with the rudder almost full negative,. no lift for going down wind ![]() The adjuster full positive for max lift when going up wind. ![]() A close up of the adjuster, the rod pushes against the pintle to move the rudder stock. ![]() One of the other ways to do it is to have the blades fo the T-foil rotate on an axle in the blade of the rudder, this is a bit trickier to make but is popular in the 14's. |
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If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right
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C. Petrie ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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Just out of curiosity, how much does the bottom of the blade move fore and aft? Surely this would affect the helm characteristics? or is the movement so slight that the difference is minimal? - just thinking with regard to when I sailed a laser, if the blade wasn't fully down you knew about it! |
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Blobby ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 May 04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 779 |
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Because the whole stock moves you are changing the angle of the hinge so the blade stays in the same place relative to the hinge so no change in tiller loads (at least, when the boat is perfectly upright - as soon as you heel the lift from the t-foil also has a bit of sideways component so steers the boat too...)
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One step forwards, 2 steps back...
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mike ellis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2339 |
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so does that mean the moths have to sail with constant lee helm when they are on their foils? |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318 |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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they heel to windward to use the tfoils as a daggerboard of sorts i believe
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timnoyce ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 04 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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and surely if you heel to windward the foils produce upward lift which is not only lifting the boat out of the water but also forcing the boat upwind more?
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