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    Posted: 14 Jun 06 at 3:47pm
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hmmmmmmmmm

29er, very bright future, growing class, ISAF youth boat 2006(7?), easy to achieve high speed and lots of great competition, good stepping stone to 49er, 29erX released soon.

laser 3000, class looking up since the release of the v3000, other than that i don't know mch about the class but someone will fill you in.

Buzz, not my faveroute and i would have thought underpowered since i have sailed the iso and that seemed good, but the buzz is smaller, the buzz guys will fill you in on that too.

i would personally go for the 29er (little bit of bias) not just because the boat is good but because of the future ahead of the class.


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cherub wins hands down. (sorry was far to tempting!)

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The buzz, not very well layed out deck controls, high mainsheet loads, too heavy to make any substantial apparent wind advantages downwind.
However, its very stable, very open so plenty of room to move about so i think a great learning boat.

I dont know much about the L/V3000 but having crewed it for a weekend i found it very cramped and i dont think the deck controls are layed out very well.  However it does have very good speed potential both upwind and downwind.

29er......well, its a brilliantly designed boat, a FAST skiff for lightweights!  My ONLY reservations with the boat is that for begginers it can appear very tippy and certainly be a handful in a breeze, and the kicker is a bitch to pull on!

Make of this what you will and feel free to disagree with me on any particular point as i really haven't spent a substantial amount of time in any of the boats.
Ive done a few comps helming and crewing the buzz and 29er but have only crewed a 3000

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never sailed a 29er and not the new v3000 but the older 3000

the 3000 is a horiable boat to sail cause you have a very low freeboard.  and i also found it very underpowered.

i have raced the buzz alot and found it a very nice boat to sail.  brillant with a lightweght crew and a heavyweight one

the sheetloads can be high just got to have the correct technique.  the buzz is very fast downwind if sailed right and in the light it is also fast.  i can beat 400s on the water in it.

we have been clocked at very high speeds and have got it airborn more than once.

have also sailed it in 30+knots and it is nice and easy.

so buzz all the way

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hear hear, it is a great learning boat that can also be quite challenging at times

i went from a topper to a buzz and my dad went from a disabled club challenger to a buzz and we found it hard at first but we are getting better (i think )
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As it happens, there was a Buzz v. 3000 v. 29er comparitive boat test in DSM that we (3000 class) took part in. The verdict was

Verdicts
If you are after speed and acceleration the 29er offers this by the bucket full, but be prepared to get wet while you’re learning the ropes. Ability and agility are the key to success, and a strong open meeting circuit will help hone your competitive skills. The laser 3000 offer the ideal training boat, you will struggle to get overpowered and a stable platform awaits the novice trapeezer while a good second hand market should ensure you are afloat for little money. The Buzz offers speed and thrills with a more forgiving nature, which while simple to sail offers plenty to occupy the club sailor even in a lighter breeze.
Joe summed up his thoughts as follows,” You would learn on the Laser 3000, The Buzz is for bigger people and the 29er is for better people” All agreed that the Laser 3000 was more forgiving and the least intimidating and that agility and ability to were a must to master the 29er.

Joe summed it up nicely ... for the full report see www.3000class.org.uk and select Contents Menu/Boat Reviews

The V3000 would definitely change the balance ... easy and fast and clutter free, with the aft bridle/boom sheeting/gnav giving plenty of room for the crew (can be retrofit to the L3K for £140). On the helm, the feel of the V3000 is just like sailing a standard Laser with off-the-boom sheeting. For a trial in a L3k or V3k, e-mail info@3000class.org.uk

The 3000 circuit is 'fun' racing with low (but increasing) numbers, very accessible, and we have an excellent class coach (Rob Burridge, ISO Nat Champ from when that class was humming, and the current L2000 Nat Champ). We share half our events with L2000s and use club regattas for the rest. The Buzz circuit is more competitive, teamed up with the ISOs, and we well know the 29er scene.

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Originally posted by MRJP BUZZ 585


i went from a topper to a buzz and we found it hard at first but we are getting better (i think )

Can you think of any boat which WOULDN'T seem challenging when coming out of a Topper?

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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Can you think of any boat which WOULDN'T seem challenging when coming out of a Topper?



Depends you might get in to a Tinker Tramp or an Optimist
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29er - Good circuit boat for high level competition, also the XX rig has taken it one step further, real nice small skiff.

Laser/V3000 - Good racing boat for club and handicap level, good scope for growth within the class. Real good boat for learning the basics of High Performace sailing.

Buzz - Enjoyable boat to sail, shame it has been fitted out questionably. In my opinion, the best boat that Topper made since the Topper. More room than the 3000 and equally enjoyable to sail in big winds. Tempted to say better than the original 3000 but over-shadowed now by the V3000 now.

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