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    Posted: 09 Feb 06 at 10:05am
Now this is probably a very stuupid idea but...
To make the Olympic events a bit more TV friendly maybe you could have a second TV friendly medal in a few of the classes. Sam comeptitors to keep down the costs.

Idea is this. Just off the beach setup a 500m w/l track with a very small start/finish gate and a windward mark.
At the end of 4 of the days sailing each team in the selected class gets one run up and downm the track which is timed. Best time of the day qualifies for the final unless already qualified, then its the seconmd fastest that qualifies.

On finals day you have 4 teams, each of which takes turns for 3 runs. Best aggregate time for all 3 runs wins. TV should be pretty easy, camera on the windward, camera on the gate, plenty of split times....

Dunno what the Olympic sailors would make of the idea though... Be pretty boring with the leadmins, but ought to be quite fun with boards and 49ers...






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Whilst your idea would increase the media friendliness (even if inconsistent winds would make winning a bit of the lottery), why the determination to make Olympic sailing appeal to spectators?

The only reason to make the sport more media friendly is to get more viewers, sponsors and ultimately money. This isn't what the Olmpics are about. I haven't checked out the IOC's charter, but I'm pretty sure the concept is to find champions in existing sports. The Olypmics do not exist as a money making machine, they exist for the benefit of the athletes.

Sailing should be in the Olympics, not because media exposure will increase participation (does it actually?), but because it is a good platform to establish who the champions of our sport are and because grass roots sailors eventually benefit from the increased knowledge gained by the competing teams. There is little benefit to sailors from Joe Public watching. If you want to increase viewing figures, use shark infested waters! How about skiff jousting?

Seriously, if the intention is to increase viewing figures then your idea is a fair one. But why bother, the Olmpics is for the competitors, not the armchair viewers.

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

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The only reason to make the sport more media friendly is to get more viewers, sponsors and ultimately money. This isn't what the Olmpics are about. I haven't checked out the IOC's charter, but I'm pretty sure the concept is to find champions in existing sports. The Olypmics do not exist as a money making machine, they exist for the benefit of the athletes. ...........................

Seriously, if the intention is to increase viewing figures then your idea is a fair one. But why bother, the Olmpics is for the competitors, not the armchair viewers.

You are living in cloud cooking land mate. ISAF's only justification for introducing the 49er was to 'increase viewing figures'. The IOC's charter has nothing to do with finding champions in existing sports and has everything to do with keeping the olympics as a 'money making machine'. It is a money making machine, and the people involved with it get rich. If you think that isn't the case then you need to consider just how much money we are talking about. Its bigger that I can imagine and Ive got a big mind for these things...... the greed is insatiable, the want for it to be bigger and not lose a penny by getting smaller is unquenchable. Its money....not sport..... good old fashioned green. It makes me ill its so much green. Ahh - bless my children, your all so cute and adorable with your little thoughts of 'sporting competition' and 'good game chaps'. I want to hug you all.

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Its a good idea for viewers, but you want to compete in dinghy racing if it was just a time trial?  I wouldn't, I like to be out racing with other boats at the same time, I don't think portraying the sport of sailing as a time trial event would encourage more people into racing.
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Yeah but does the way that boats liek the lasers are portrayed in the news actualy attract more people to the sport. No matter how fun they are to sail in the actual event unless you understand all the tactics involved watching the slower boats can be a bit boring.

The olimpics definatly do need to look  into ways to  make all their sports more viewer friendly that way they can get more soponsorship ... etc but this may take a while with sports like sailing as its not just down to who goes through from heats like other sports.
And as much as it pains me to say this we may have to be content with just a few clases getting the attention first - like the 49er and boards.

Im not too sure how the TV people would react to another medal because (presumably) it wouldnt count in the actual olimpic medals so would take time that could other wise be used to show actual medals

Just my 2ps worth, would b good to get sailing on tv more but i think that is going to have to be the way that it is filmed that is going to draw the viewers in rather than changing the format

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Bumble, 

You are quite right the Olympics have been hijacked by the power of the dollar, however as the grass roots of sailing we need to at least voice a little dissent at allowing them to hijack our sport and turn it into something it isn't! If we don't stand up for the sport who else will?  If it hadn't been for a groundsell of dissent unless i'm very much mistaken Athens would have been a no discard regatta, and the best Finn sailor would not have won the gold.  We'll never stop the march of 'progress' but at least we can act as a break when some of the more ridiculous ideas suface.

I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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It strikes me that most tv coverage of olympic sailing in the uk has been about medal winners. Hence we get as much coverage for the Yngling, Laser, Finn as we do for the 49er.

Isn't this always the way? Success at cycling round a velodrome (not exciting to me) is fascinating when we are winning medals. Likewise rifle shooting, curling and any number of other minority sports.

As a member of Joe Public what i want is TV coverage about GBR winners - any sport, any event. If I want excitement i'll go sail my 49er.

Sailing is just not telegenic lets face it and get back on the water.

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Regards TV coverage being focused on possible winners it is likely that every class will have someone in the "medal zone" in 2008!!!
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Originally posted by Bumble

You are living in cloud cooking land mate. ISAF's only justification for introducing the 49er was to 'increase viewing figures'. The IOC's charter has nothing to do with finding champions in existing sports and has everything to do with keeping the olympics as a 'money making machine'. It is a money making machine, and the people involved with it get rich. [/QUOTE

Hmm - any proof of that Bumble? I thought I'd heard (no proof I'm afraid) that Olympic Sailing actually cost the organisors money in the sense that the cost of constructing a new sailing centre/marina, accomodation blocks, security, supplying Lasers, Boards etc, etc costs more than the TV rights and sponsorship they are 'paid'. I certainly doubt that anyone is

Hmm - any proof of that Bumble? I thought I'd heard (no proof I'm afraid) that Olympic Sailing actually cost the organisors money in the sense that the cost of constructing a new sailing centre/marina, accomodation blocks, security, supplying Lasers, Boards etc, etc costs more than the TV rights and sponsorship they are 'paid'. I certainly doubt that anyone is getting rich from having sailing in the Olympics.

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I'm not sure how this fits but i have heard that the IOC is the most corrupt sporting organisation there is - and hence i would have to agree that the olympics is not for the competitors but is a 'money making machine' - although without it there would be considerably less sailing coverage reaching our screens even if it is only every 4 years. I certainly got a lot more interest from people asking about my involment in the sport after athens - not sure where i am going with this really!
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