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    Posted: 01 Feb 06 at 11:18am
There has been a bit of Devils Advocate being played recently on this forum, so I thought I'd contribute :)

I think that RS have irrepairably damaged many classes in the UK with their range of boats and trend for bringing out a boat that in many cases has already been done (see the RS500 v V3000 debate, RS600 v Contender, RS700 v Musto Performance Skiff, RS400 v Merlin Rocket, etc).  In fact, many of the classic British classes have been badly hit in terms of numbers as a result of RS.

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Remember, this is purely Devils Advocate, I did own an RS Boat till about a week ago!
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I suspect there will be torent of 'my class survived the SMOD onslaught because its better/can adapt/is association led etc' in response to that, but I don't think that's the point being raised.  Personally, I think RS have every right to design/make whatever they like and that they do offer something different from the classes they rival (MPS v 700 aside).  However, I do hope that some of these classes pair up and work together rather than fragmenting fleets further.
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The only one that I disagree with is the merlin and 400.  The merlin is still a massive class and will continue to be regardless of the 400. 

Appart from that I have to agree RS have'nt done much for other classes like the Contender and so on. 

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Lets be fair and not just pick on RS there are some others out there as
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This is true.

Which ones though
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Never owned an RS but have sailed some..

It's easy to bash RS for having a crack at traditional classes.. but how many of the "independant" builders actively market their boats themselves and how many leave it up to the class assocs??

Market share is all about exposure and having a good product, rightly or wrongly RS and the rest have beleived in their product and then gone out to get the publicity.
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That's like complaining that BMW has forced British Leyland out of
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Originally posted by Olly4088

This is true.


Which ones though



29xx for instance v UK Cherub maybe.... see another thread. You create a
market and bigger wallets dump on you. Now that really is cheque book
sailing... see another thread also!
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RS have done a good job and produce good boats (mostly).  It's a free and commercial market.  I'm sure many people are in the sport because of RS.  However, they don't do boats for people my size and inclination. 

Alot of the demise of the older classes is down to them feeling that they have a god given right to exist just because they do.
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every one is fogeting all they are doing is moving every thing on a stage things will alwase become out dated but all they are doing is making that happen faster

talking to adluts at my club they have been saying when they where my age it was a big deal for them to get a go in a ent or a fireball but nowi think nofing of going out in a 49er 18footer 29er ect all that has hapend as we all get beter we need harder boats to sail so we get the same thrils

and the contender has a biger opens than the 600 so you can not go on about tha one ether

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