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    Posted: 12 Mar 13 at 7:51am
Hi I am looking for some basic set up guides for the RS500 and the Laser3000. Goggled both class associations and both seem to be down ? Can any one help with some basic measurements ? Cheers Paul.
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Here is a link for the 500

http://www.rs500.org/docs/rs500/tuning/Tims-RS500-Tuning-Guide.pdf
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Originally posted by hollandsd 6th March 2013 re 3000 CA website

Hopefully by the end of today there should be a site of some description back up and running.

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Site appears to be up for me. Do you have the latest URL?
 http://www.rs500.org/ 


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The 3k webmaster has once again promised to sort the site out.

In the meantime, exactly what were you looking for by way of set-up guidance?

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Some measurements mast rack, rig tension etc. Just a starting point.
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There doesn't seem to be  magic rake setting for the 3k, but I've been moderately successful with lots, and it looks good! Try two to three full holes up from the bottom of the shroud adjusters, and pull on as much rig tension as you can without resorting to special tricks.  That seems about right. As to spreaders, unless you are heavy, just one hole out at the tangs and plenty of rake so that they induce a fair bit of pre-bend - the Hyde main is pretty full cut. Leech tension is critical, so keep playing the main/kicker on the beat to keep the top tell-tale on the break. Boat flat and crew weight uncomfortably far forward until you're fully trapezing.
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One vital extra bit of data: mast foot position. 

With those shroud settings, you need to put the aft pin in the mast step one hole aft of in the middle, while the other is the length of the mast foot ahead of it.  Then if you are using an old Hyde jib you step the mast between the bolts.  If using a North jib, tacked down onto the bow, you mount the mast foot astride the aft bolt.
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I’d been sailing my (V)3000 with about 140kg of rig tension and I understand the Laser 3000 was supposed to be set at 136kg, so not far off.  Actually I never measured it until recently and just used to pull on rig tension until the jib luff (forestay) stopped bobbing about in gusts - good enough if you don't have a loos gauge.

The RS500 is pretty similar to the 3000 (though heavier and with bigger sails) and uses up to 180kg!

I have a personal theory that my boat is faster in lighter winds with less rig tension (powers up the jib) but I wouldn’t bet on it. 

My latest setttings table, for the V3000 is as follows (all at 140kg measured on the shrouds about 30cm up from the plates).

·        Shroud plate holes are numbered from the top - but I'll be everyone's shrouds are different lengths!

Shroud plate hole

Rake

Rig tension,

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Hole 5, back

6.39m

140kg

Vertical (the jib head is right at the block on the mast on my boat).

If the wind were light enough to use this setting I’d drop the rig tension and use hole 6 .. probably

Hole 6, back

6.36m

140kg

 

Hole 7, back

6.30m

140kg

 

Hole 8, back

6.24m

140kg

My normal single handing setting up to the top of F3.

Hole 9, back

6.19m

140kg

Full possible rake without owning shorter shrouds.

 Mr Medway once told me he uses 6.17m of rake … so either he runs less tension or has shorter shrouds.  He is an upwind flier and points very high indeed - but I've caught him up down wind occasionally.

PS: the class web site is finally up and running again at www.3000class.org.uk




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Didnt understand 100% your table. Do you use all these rakes from 6.39 to 6.19 depending on wind strength? 
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