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Topic: Laser 2000 weight
Posted By: teamhobie
Subject: Laser 2000 weight
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 11:08am
So just exactly how much does a Laser 2000 weigh?
Laser themselves used to publish a hull weight of 100kg until several years ago when it suddenly shot up to 140kg (165kg complete  boat)!  How did this happen?  Does this mean earlier boats are 40kg lighter than new ones in a one design class?  Were laser just telling fibs at 100kg?  If it is 140kg that would make it heavier than an RS Vision or a Wanderer.  Are they really that heavy?
Maybe you have one and have weighed it on a weighbridge.
So we need to know:
How heavy are they in reality?
Are they all the same regardless of age?
Look forward to your more knowledgeable replies.


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When fast isn't fast enough - sail Hobie



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Posted By: oldarn
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 11:40am
Originally posted by teamhobie

So just exactly how much does a Laser 2000 weigh?
Laser themselves used to publish a hull weight of 100kg until several years ago when it suddenly shot up to 140kg (165kg complete  boat)!  How did this happen?  Does this mean earlier boats are 40kg lighter than new ones in a one design class?  Were laser just telling fibs at 100kg?  If it is 140kg that would make it heavier than an RS Vision or a Wanderer.  Are they really that heavy?
Maybe you have one and have weighed it on a weighbridge.
So we need to know:
How heavy are they in reality?
Are they all the same regardless of age?
Look forward to your more knowledgeable replies.


Sadly, yes it's likely to be about 140kg if its all up weigh is 165kg.

When looking for a modern and lighter boat than a Wayfarer in the Y&Y Racing Classes guide, I identified the L2000 as the most suitable until I noticed its heavy weight and lack of sail area. That was some eight or nine years ago when I assume they were publishing a figure in that order.

Thus, with no other modern, large and  comfortable fast dinghies which two could easily pull up a ramp, the AltO was born. The hull weight is 82Kg and all up sailing weight 115kg. You should try one!




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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 7:17pm
we had a training day using two L2000s, an RS Vision and a Bahia.  Of the three boats the L2000s were without doubt the lightest, and the nicest to sail.

I own a kestrel which weighs 140kg or more, the L2k weighs nowhere near that much.

I used to own an older L2k, I wouldn't say it weighed anymore than the newer ones we sailed today.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 7:44pm
A back breaker on a shingle beech, a trolley with modified wider wheels makes it easier. Someone at our club even uses a quad bike to pull it up and down although I think our exec com has now knocked that on the head because of safety.
 
Talking of trolleys: The boat designers/manufactiurers put all sorts of efforts into making a boat a pleasure to sail.......what about the bloody trolleys?


Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 25 Feb 12 at 8:13pm
From what a good freind of mine told me the older 2000 hulls are lighter by anything up to 25 kgs and they seem stiffer than the latest ones also the top guys try to get hold of the early masts again they are better than the latest ones .So much for being a one design but hey its a laser so what do you expect

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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest


Posted By: teamhobie
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 8:50am
This reply from Rockhopper is very interesting and would explain the apparent change in the specification for the hull weight from Laser themselves.  I can only assume that, once the class is established, the manufacturer looks for ever cheaper ways and places to build the hulls and heavier is usually simpler and cheaper!  If there are discrepancies in L2K hull weights in that order then the one design status is essentially useless.  What I still do not understand is that there are numerous posts on this site stating that an RS Vision is way heavier than an L2K but the manufacturers own figures say it is the other way round.  Someone must be telling fibs.  If I had one I would take it to my local weighbridge to find out.


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When fast isn't fast enough - sail Hobie


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 8:51am
yes, the black masts are supposedly superior.

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Posted By: teamhobie
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 8:55am
Originally posted by winging it

yes, the black masts are supposedly superior.


So if I wanted to start L2K sailing, I need an early boat (light) with a black mast.  Great, sounds a lot cheaper than a new one!


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When fast isn't fast enough - sail Hobie


Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 9:35am
Yes and buy new sails still cheaper than a new boat as for the weight thing my mate weighed his new boat (21500 ish)against an old one(2100 ish) and thats how he found out and then sold the new one and bought the old one and got new sails for it

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Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Feb 12 at 12:48pm
Of course being a polyester boat the olds ones are still going to go soft...


Posted By: gordon1277
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:19am
Hi
I know the blue hulls are racing version and yellow ones are training boats which i am told are heavier, having turned one over on Saturday on my own it was bloudy heavy.
for some reason Laser also made the training boats controls rigged differently to the racing version and not come back to the thwart where helm and crew can both reach them, stupid or what.



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Gordon
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Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:57am
there is a lot of information at http://www.laser2000.org.uk/ - http://www.laser2000.org.uk/
but more importantly the CA is very friendly, so if you are serious why dont you get in touch


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 10:24am
I do recall on the early boats there were issues with the transoms breaking away if you grounded the rudder. Perhaps some of the weight gain is from additonal re-inforcement of this area.

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Paul
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Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 9:24pm
Well there is a lot of horses**t talked about this.  And I say that as someone who took the option to buy an older L2K to replace the one (now owned by me) that I was racing, and had achieved consistent top 5ish Nationals results in.  (12 years v 6.5 years).

Did I do it because the hull was lighter, or tthe mast faster.  Absolutley not.  The reason was because it was cheaper ( and I could therefore afford to spend more on sails and sailing thus making it faster!).

There are some great L2K bargains to be had.  Far too many are under used and sit in dinghy parks not being used.  So you can have a great boat with less use for not much.

For me the only drawback with the boat is that I would like longer spreaders as per the old boat, which had Proctor adjustibles.  This has a holt set which are not.


Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 10:46pm
While I'm not a circuit racer in 2Ks, I've been responsible for a fleet of 3 of them, both older and newer, and haven't noticed any difference between them.
We use them to teach Level 2 upwards and the fleet are also used in Inter-Service Team Racing events, which I'm cirtain would show up any glaring differences in performance.  Not a boat I neccesarily buy for myself, but they're very good at what they're designed for, and I've loved every minute that I have raced one with the "open" fleet (I was actually a Fotoboat calendar picture a few years ago in one!Big smile)


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