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Which nationals is harder to win ...?

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Topic: Which nationals is harder to win ...?
Posted By: 2547
Subject: Which nationals is harder to win ...?
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 1:15pm
Seamonkey surveymonkey ...

Well see what people think ...

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PDGZFL5






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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 1:17pm
Link

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PDGZFL5 - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PDGZFL5


Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 1:18pm
Ooh good.  I'm not going to get much work done this afternoon!


Posted By: Ruscoe
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 1:41pm
When will we see the results??

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 1:52pm
Surely only someone who has won titles in different classes can be in a position to say which was harder. I doubt there are many on here that can claim that accolade.

Who defines harder? Is it harder to win in a more unstable boat class, or harder to win in a larger fleet but in more stable craft?

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:03pm
It's about perception ... just cast your votes monkies


Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:25pm
Surely it must be the Finn if Ben Ainslie turns up (unless you are Ben of course)....

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by Contender443

Surely it must be the Finn if Ben Ainslie turns up (unless you are Ben of course)....


Finn currently ranked 37th with 10 responses ... scoring 7.7.

Leader at present is the Laser on 9.6.

Bottom is ISO ...


Posted By: chrisarnell1
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:33pm
I've done loads and never won one. So for me they are all impossible to win and therefore equally difficult.

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by chrisarnell1

I've done loads and never won one. So for me they are all impossible to win and therefore equally difficult.


+1


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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:51pm
15 responses so far ...  you don't have to answer all the classes just the one which you have an opinion on ...


Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:53pm
+1 again.
Edit: I pressed reply instead of quote Chris G....


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by chrisarnell1

I've done loads and never won one. So for me they are all impossible to win and therefore equally difficult.


It's not how hard the event is to win for you; you monkey but how hard you think the event was to win for the winner ... you must think it's harder to win the 49er nationals than the ISO nationals even if you don't have the ability to win either ...


Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:58pm
why must I? I used to have an ISO and have sailed 49ers (not done a nationals though).... Does that make me Noddy?

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 2:59pm
7 of the top 10 at present are single handers ... top 2 man boat 505 ...


Posted By: Dougal
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 3:04pm
The outcome of the survey will be a pot hunters dream!  Now where do I find a second hand ISO?  With a bit of training I reckon a top 10 finish is achievable....


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by chrisg

why must I? I used to have an ISO and have sailed 49ers (not done a nationals though).... Does that make me Noddy?


If you think that each nationals is equally difficult to win then don't bother responding.

I think most people would accept that some classes are harder to win than others ... thats the question here ...


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by Dougal

The outcome of the survey will be a pot hunters dream!  Now where do I find a second hand ISO?  With a bit of training I reckon a top 10 finish is achievable....


yep some people are happy to win events of little value Confused


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 3:59pm
The most difficult nationals isn't on there.



In fact there're five or even six difficult classes not on there.


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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:01pm
is it me, or is this pointless?

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by winging it

is it me, or is this pointless?


This is an internet forum ... of course it's pointless ... Tongue


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:04pm
No it's not you Wing Wang, it's totally pointless, only a no hoper muppet like sea monkey would even think about it. In fact once she narrows it down to the easiest she'll still go along and come third in a fleet of three..

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

The most difficult nationals isn't on there.



In fact there're five or even six difficult classes not on there.


Like what ... I didn't create the list it is just the list from the Y&Y table of classes that have held a nationals in 2011.



Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:07pm
I suspect a few of them involve standing up...


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:09pm
I'm not going to tell you, it's pointless you even doing this, all Nationals are hard to win if the conditions don't suit your sailing style and body weight just as they're easy to win if the conditions suit you, given you've done what it takes to be proficient at sailing the craft at mean fleet boat speed or better on autopilot.

Which clearly you haven't or you wouldn't be posting such an absurd survey..


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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:35pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

I'm not going to tell you,


This is for dinghy & small keelboat classes, who cares about your weird branch of air rowing ... and it is not about which classes are hard for YOU to win, it's about which class you think was the hardest to win for the eventual champion.


Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:36pm
Another option might be to build your own new type of boat to make sure there is no-one to race against...Wink

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:54pm
Well to weigh in my 2p...
 
There is a certain Kiwi Laser sailor who has jumped in to other single handers and won their nationals at the first attempt. He has also done this with at leat 1 double handed class...
 
This year he tried to do this in another double handed class and came 3rd I believe. Does that make the class he sailed in this year more difficult to win or does that prove that he just needs a little more time to get used to the boat? The class in question does have a number of top double handed sailors from other classes who regularly participate in their nationals even if they do not do any other events for that class in the same year.....
 
As with a lot of things online totally pointless in some ways but the analysis of peoples perceptions may be interesting.....


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 4:57pm
with no results published after you complete it to see if you can log in again and re-vote, this survey is even pointless for the pointlessness of internet surverys.

the hardest classes to win- the one's where the team riders, pimps and ringers show up and sail you off the start line (if you were in contention in the first place that is...)


Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:00pm
A Laser is easier than a Merlin to win the Nationals because you can find a competitive boat much easier. Just one of the many factors involved - too complicated to work out.

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by rogue

with no results published after you complete it to see if you can log in again and re-vote,


Naughty rogue ... monkies are not stupid you can only do one entry per computer ...

This survey is about perceptions of which classes are hard to win in ... why is that pointless?


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Steve411

Another option might be to build your own new type of boat to make sure there is no-one to race against...Wink


LOL LOL but at least you can race with all your mates Wink


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:19pm
I suspect Mr Tickle has been getting his mates to stuff the ballot box of the Lighning 368 & Supernova ... some responses look very bogus ...

For what it is worth here are the findings based on 29 responses. Pretty much what I'd expect ...


Rank Class Score
1 Laser 8.95
2 Solo 8.63
3 Laser Radial 8.4
4 505 8.35
5 International Moth 8.28
6 Dragon 8.27
7 International 14 8.21
8 Optimist 8.15
9 RS200 8.12
10 Musto Skiff 8.11
11 Merlin Rocket 8.05
12 49er 8.05
13 XOD 8
14 Phantom 8
15 Fireball 8
16 OK 8
17 Laser SB3 8
18 Tornado 7.91
19 RS800 7.75
20 National 12 7.74
21 420 7.69
22 RS400 7.6
23 A Class Catamaran 7.56
24 Flying Fifteen 7.53
25 29er 7.53
26 Scorpion 7.44
27 18ft Skiff 7.44
28 Topper 7.43
29 Melges 24 7.4
30 Enterprise 7.39
31 International Canoe 7.38
32 Finn 7.37
33 Contender 7.33
34 Cadet 7.33
35 GP14 7.27
36 Mirror 7.19
37 IRC 7
38 2.4m 7
39 Squib 6.9
40 B14 6.86
41 Etchells 6.8
42 RS300 6.76
43 Spitfire 6.75
44 J80 6.73
45 Dart 18 6.71
46 Norfolk Punt 6.7
47 Lark 6.69
48 Formula 18 6.64
49 Firefly 6.61
50 J105 6.57
51 RS Feva 6.55
52 Laser 4.7 6.54
53 Sigma 38 6.5
54 J109 6.33
55 Quarter Tonner 6.25
56 J/24 6.22
57 Wayfarer 6.17
58 Sigma 33 6.13
59 RC Laser 6.11
60 Scow 6
61 Redwing 6
62 Laser 2000 5.94
63 RS100 5.93
64 Albacore 5.93
65 K1 5.9
66 International Six Metre 5.88
67 One Metre 5.86
68 Hurricane 5.9 SX 5.78
69 Marblehead 5.78
70 Illusion 5.75
71 Osprey 5.71
72 Shearwater 5.71
73 MOCRA 5.67
74 RS600 5.64
75 Streaker 5.63
76 Sonar 5.6
77 Blaze 5.59
78 Shadow 5.57
79 J/92 and J/92s 5.57
80 Sonata 5.5
81 Unicorn 5.5
82 RS Tera 5.42
83 RS700 5.4
84 Thames A Rater 5.38
85 Flying Dutchman 5.36
86 Impala 28 5.33
87 Miracle 5.29
88 RS500 5.21
89 Cherub 5.14
90 Seascape 18 5.14
91 Salcombe Yawl 5.1
92 K6 5.08
93 British Moth 5.07
94 Sharpie 5
95 Vortex 5
96 Snipe 5
97 Sunbeam 5
98 Javelin 5
99 Swallow 4.9
100 Folkboat 4.88
101 Access 4.88
102 Challenger 4.86
103 Hornet 4.85
104 Tasar 4.82
105 RS Elite 4.77
106 National 18 4.75
107 Sprint 15 Sport 4.75
108 707 4.75
109 RS Vareo 4.67
110 Laser 4000 4.65
111 Catapult 4.6
112 Dart 16 4.57
113 Europe 4.56
114 Solution 4.54
115 Topper 4.2 4.5
116 Hunter Formula One 4.5
117 Tideway 4.5
118 Lightning 368 4.47
119 Graduate 4.46
120 Tempest 4.44
121 SigneT 4.38
122 Supernova 4.35
123 Sprint 15 4.33
124 Ajax 4.33
125 Yachting World Dayboat 4.29
126 Laser 5000 4.18
127 Kestrel 4.14
128 Sandhopper 4
129 Devon Yawl 4
130 Comet Trio 3.92
131 Loch Long One Design 3.71
132 Wanderer 3.64
133 Comet 3.62
134 Laser Vago 3.54
135 3000 3.47
136 Heron 3.36
137 ISO 3.31
138 Laser Stratos 3.07
139 Buzz 3.06
140 Leader 2.92
141 Splash 2.83
142 Laser EPS 2.18




Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:34pm
How does the expression go? Junk in, junk out?

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Rupert

How does the expression go? Junk in, junk out?


yeah but even with a few people voting for their favorites the masses generally overide the self interest...

I figure the above is resonable.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 7:59pm
142 boats and 29 reponses - you've not even begun weeding out self interest or getting a representative sample, especially given the forum demographics.

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Posted By: r2d2
Date Posted: 06 Oct 11 at 9:30pm
yes, come on there must stilll be resilts coming in (and some classes probably have no votes at all yet?) -  give it some more time
 
also, you really need to divide the results for each class by the number of sailors from each class so that you overcome the effect of for example more laser sailors voting than, say, K1 sailors voting


Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:01am
I cant be bothered with all this. I have sailed in a few and spectated at many. In my opinion all fleets divide the same, a few at the top capable of winning, the bulk in the middle and a few at the back only there for the fun. Most National Champions are very good at it and there are a few 'rockstars' who have a unique, unquantifiable talent. Tricky to sail boats require skill and athleticism whereas more stable craft allow concentration on tactics rather than survival. They are all hard but in different ways.

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Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:50am
Originally posted by r2d2

yes, come on there must stilll be resilts coming in (and some classes probably have no votes at all yet?) -  give it some more time
 


62 people have now voted ... quite interesting to see how people behave.

Most have completed the question sensibly and scored over half the classes.

Some have just gone in and voted a 10 for a single class and left all other classes blank.

The offenders of this blatant ramping were:

Phantom x3
Albacore
Dart 18
K1

What is more surprising is the haters who deliberatly score down a class that is clearly competitive.

e.g.

Merlin Rocket4.3% (2)0.0% (0)0.0% (0)0.0% (0)4.3% (2)0.0% (0)6.5% (3)19.6% (9)32.6% (15)32.6% (15)8.4846

How can 2 people think that the Merlin Nationals is a easy win? Clearly Merlin haters ... but with 46 people commenting I think we can see the consensus ... it's a tough nationals to win.






Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:02am
Originally posted by seamonkey


Originally posted by rogue

with no results published after you complete it to see if you can log in again and re-vote,
Naughty rogue ... monkies are not stupid you can only do one entry per computer ... This survey is about perceptions of which classes are hard to win in ... why is that pointless?


But it's an internet survey, what's the point if you can't manipulate the results when they are not to your liking?

btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router* down there in deepest, darkest Kent.

* sorry, redialing your 56k modem


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:07am
Originally posted by rogue


But it's an internet survey, what's the point if you can't manipulate the results when they are not to your liking?


LOL this is true but there is some sense in there Wink


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:30am
Ok that is enough monkeying around ... I have deleted all the single class responses (obese goons) and the dipstick who responded 10 to all classes ...

here y'all go ...

Rank Class Score Number of responses
1 Laser 9.08 38
2 International 14 8.6 40
3 International Moth 8.51 37
4 505 8.5 38
5 RS200 8.48 33
6 Merlin Rocket 8.42 45
7 Finn 8.33 40
8 Laser Radial 8.3 27
9 Laser SB3 8.3 27
10 49er 8.28 32
11 Fireball 8.16 31
12 Solo 8.13 32
13 Musto Skiff 8.06 33
14 Optimist 8.04 26
15 OK 7.92 24
16 XOD 7.87 23
17 18ft Skiff 7.78 27
18 Phantom 7.64 33
19 Dragon 7.52 21
20 National 12 7.5 36
21 29er 7.44 27
22 Flying Fifteen 7.43 28
23 GP14 7.4 30
24 RS400 7.39 31
25 420 7.39 28
26 Contender 7.38 29
27 RS800 7.37 30
28 Melges 24 7.36 22
29 Cadet 7.33 21
30 Tornado 7.29 21
31 Topper 7.2 25
32 Enterprise 7.19 36
33 Etchells 7.15 20
34 Scorpion 7.14 29
35 Mirror 6.93 28
36 Firefly 6.84 31
37 B14 6.83 30
38 J/24 6.82 17
39 International Canoe 6.81 21
40 J80 6.71 21
41 IRC 6.65 17
42 Lark 6.6 30
43 A Class Catamaran 6.47 15
44 Formula 18 6.44 18
45 2.4m 6.33 18
46 RS300 6.3 33
47 Squib 6.26 19
48 Quarter Tonner 6.21 19
49 Laser 4.7 6.13 24
50 Sigma 38 6.06 17
51 RS100 5.88 33
52 J109 5.81 16
53 Sigma 33 5.75 16
54 Wayfarer 5.71 24
55 Albacore 5.69 29
56 J105 5.69 16
57 RS Feva 5.67 24
58 International Six Metre 5.59 17
59 Dart 18 5.57 14
60 Sonar 5.47 17
61 Laser 2000 5.45 29
62 RS700 5.41 27
63 Norfolk Punt 5.41 17
64 K6 5.4 20
65 Spitfire 5.33 12
66 Redwing 5.33 15
67 Hurricane 5.9 SX 5.27 15
68 RS600 5.27 26
69 MOCRA 5.27 15
70 RC Laser 5.26 19
71 Blaze 5.19 31
72 Sonata 5.19 16
73 Streaker 5.13 24
74 Marblehead 5.11 18
75 Osprey 5.08 24
76 Cherub 5.08 25
77 One Metre 5.07 15
78 Thames A Rater 5.05 21
79 RS500 5 28
80 Snipe 4.93 15
81 Shadow 4.93 15
82 J/92 and J/92s 4.88 17
83 Flying Dutchman 4.86 22
84 RS Tera 4.81 21
85 K1 4.7 23
86 Scow 4.67 12
87 RS Elite 4.65 23
88 Sharpie 4.64 14
89 Sunbeam 4.6 15
90 Salcombe Yawl 4.5 16
91 Unicorn 4.47 17
92 British Moth 4.38 24
93 Tasar 4.36 22
94 Sprint 15 4.33 18
95 Topper 4.2 4.33 18
96 Laser 4000 4.29 28
97 Miracle 4.28 25
98 Illusion 4.28 18
99 Swallow 4.28 18
100 Graduate 4.26 23
101 Impala 28 4.24 17
102 Sprint 15 Sport 4.2 15
103 Shearwater 4.15 13
104 Vortex 4.12 25
105 RS Vareo 4.08 26
106 Europe 4.08 24
107 Dart 16 4.08 13
108 Hornet 4.05 21
109 National 18 4 19
110 707 4 16
111 Lightning 368 3.92 25
112 Javelin 3.9 21
113 Folkboat 3.88 16
114 Kestrel 3.75 24
115 Devon Yawl 3.67 15
116 Supernova 3.63 24
117 Catapult 3.6 15
118 Challenger 3.59 17
119 Access 3.57 14
120 Solution 3.56 27
121 Seascape 18 3.55 11
122 Ajax 3.47 15
123 Laser 5000 3.46 28
124 Hunter Formula One 3.43 14
125 Tempest 3.4 15
126 Yachting World Dayboat 3.38 16
127 Comet Trio 3.37 19
128 3000 3.16 25
129 Loch Long One Design 3.13 16
130 Laser Vago 3.05 22
131 Comet 3 18
132 Splash 3 17
133 Tideway 2.92 13
134 Sandhopper 2.88 17
135 Wanderer 2.83 18
136 Buzz 2.77 26
137 SigneT 2.73 15
138 Laser Stratos 2.72 25
139 ISO 2.7 27
140 Heron 2.5 20
141 Leader 2.36 22
142 Laser EPS 1.93 27



Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:47am
142 National Champions in the UK from this list alone... and to think I wouldn't stand a chance of being top 3 in any of them, how sh*t am I


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:50am
Originally posted by rogue

btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router*

or rerouting through proxies, or shuffling round Pcs in the hot desk area at the offiice or, or , or...


Posted By: 2547
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:59am
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by rogue

btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router*

or rerouting through proxies, or shuffling round Pcs in the hot desk area at the offiice or, or , or...


yeah, yeah, yeah ... if people wish to go to such lengths then they deserve their extra script but most people are not so sad as to do that ... but then again y'all are dinghy sailors.Wink

On the whole, now all the single class 10's have been deleted, I think y'll have a pretty fair ranking based on people perceptions ...

So where can I buy an EPS?


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 11:26am
Originally posted by seamonkey



So where can I buy an EPS?


Pretty cheap 2nd hand, will chew you up and spit you out in big breezes, and I've love to see just how far behind the leaders you are by the top mark.

If you want to know how good sailors in various classes are, borrow a boat and go sailing with them. Everything else is pure internet twaddle.
 


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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 11:40am
Laser one is an interesting one.....surely it depends on whether the squad sailors are there or not.

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by Neptune

Laser one is an interesting one.....surely it depends on whether the squad sailors are there or not.
 
Agreed, but if you think the UK Nationals is (usually) one of the qualifying events you can compete is to get a Euros or Worlds berth (IIRC) then the top guys usually attend.
 
Last year the UK Nats were held the same time as one of the major international events, thus the top guys were not present (they had 37 entries that year instead of numbers into the hundreds).
 
Still one of the hardest to win IMO along with any class where the boat is tunable to the individual sailor through mast/sail/hull selection.


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 12:27pm
Originally posted by rogue

 

btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router* down there in deepest, darkest Kent.

* sorry, redialing your 56k modem

I'm really worried about you, you're on your third ID that I know of for certain, and not only are you now talking to yourself, you're trying to convince others that one of you is me.

Now, you need help, step away from the keyboard son and we'll get this nice nurse to check you out.


I've asked her to warm the electrodes.



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Posted By: Fraggle
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Neptune

Laser one is an interesting one.....surely it depends on whether the squad sailors are there or not.
 
Agreed, but if you think the UK Nationals is (usually) one of the qualifying events you can compete is to get a Euros or Worlds berth (IIRC) then the top guys usually attend.
 
Last year the UK Nats were held the same time as one of the major international events, thus the top guys were not present (they had 37 entries that year instead of numbers into the hundreds).
 
Still one of the hardest to win IMO along with any class where the boat is tunable to the individual sailor through mast/sail/hull selection.
 
 
UK laser nationals is not linked to squad/world/euro qualification at all (at least for the adults) so the top guys don't necessarily attend, unless its a good venue and doesn't clash with something else.


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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.



Originally posted by rogue

 
btw- seamonkies are not stupid, they just haven't heard of dynamically assigned IP addresses by rebooting your router* down there in deepest, darkest Kent.

* sorry, redialing your 56k modem

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I'm really worried about you, you're on your third ID that I know of for certain, and not only are you now talking to yourself, you're trying to convince others that one of you is me.
Now, you need help, step away from the keyboard son and we'll get this nice nurse to check you out.
I've asked her to warm the electrodes.

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not my sockpuppet Graeme- any historic change of ID was for legitimate (legal) reasons.

maybe Mark should out Seamonkey's IP address... I've got two theories, both terminating in Kent, although I'd hope if one of them proves accurate, you'd have had the sense to log in from your iPad with the wifi turned off so you had a mobile carrier ISP rather than the IP address from your office ADSL.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 4:14pm
I used the search function in the forum on the americanism "y'all" and found that with only one exception it seems to be exclusively used by just two posters. I wonder if by any chance they could be related (as Private Eye might say)...


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 4:19pm
So it is... do you think seamonkey is the inner 13year old trying to get out?

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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by Rupert

So it is... do you think seamonkey is the inner 13year old trying to get out?



nah, I do believe he has just been busted by, what's the word Jim... ah yes, 'a convict'- oh the shame


Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 5:03pm
all gone quiet on the seamonkey / GRF front hasn't it....


Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 8:58pm
Nope, not me, the t**ser has been quite rude about the greatest dingy ever designed, can't quite see why I'd do that, not even reverse pimp psychology, it's not even a retail product.

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Posted By: tickel
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 9:46pm
I think I may post as an alter ego......look out for Glamorous Gloria. I will be in touch with my feminine side. "How can I deal with itchy nipples in my wetsuit". That kind of thing...........

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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 10:35pm


Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 07 Oct 11 at 11:47pm
I was going to vote but its now closed and the only nationals i have done are mirrors in the 80s crewing the contenders in 91 laser 5000s in 2004 and vareos in 07,08,09,10,
And i won the 5000s that year
Vareos 2007,2010 so does that count


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 08 Oct 11 at 8:21am
[QUOTE=seamonkey]I have deleted all the single class responses (obese goons)...[QUOTE]

Theres only one poster I know of who quite regularly mentions obesity and he happens to use "y'all" quite often too!!!



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Posted By: rogue
Date Posted: 08 Oct 11 at 8:36am
I think GRF is suggesting Seamonkey is a poor mimic... which unfortunately means one of Grumpf's core POV about dinghy sailors is tragically flawed:

- dinghy sailors are humourless
- dinghy sailors are a dour

If Seamonkey isn't GRF, s/he's done a damn good job convincing us s/he is.

(FTR Graeme- 100% not me, on my family's lives!!!)



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