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Topic: Cycling Thread
Posted By: timnoyce
Subject: Cycling Thread
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 1:57pm
I know that cycling is a popular second sport for sailors as it gives us something to do when there is no wind, and its also a fun way of getting / keeping fit. Thought I'd start a thread so people can post pics of their bikes and things and chat about cycling stuff!

I'll post some pics of my steed in due course!


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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 2:05pm

me

 



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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 2:19pm
Hmm, mine has a steel frame, a Raleigh logo, full mudguards and battered/rusting basket on the front. The front wheel's a little out of straight. I do use it every day though, and might soon be doing the 10 mile each way trip to and from work on it two days a week whilst the train drivers refuse to work...

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 2:41pm
Here is a little arty one I've foundof my front disc... I don't have the full ones on this pc!




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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 3:05pm
Which one, I've got seven.

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 3:13pm
Get 'em all on here! I've got 1 and 2 halfs at the moment so I'll be able to post pics as the projects develop.



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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 3:47pm
I thought I had pictures on here somewhere but I can't find them...

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Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 4:00pm

Well i have a claud butler mountain bike which i use to ride to work with its nothing special but it gets me to work each time i am on shift only have to ride four miles each way i can get to work in 15 mins when i used to drive my van it used take me 10 mins

 



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Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 4:10pm

Sold last summer



I can't say I really miss it. It's amazing how uncomfortable they become the older you get.

Cycling is now a method of getting to the sailing club allowing post sail beers to be had.



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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 4:40pm
I'll take some photo's of my 2 useable bikes later, the decent mountain bike and my cheap road bike i use for the 10 mile each way commute to the sail loft each day.

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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 23 Jul 09 at 5:53pm
I have an old Raleigh Dynatech frame which I've mucked about with and put on one of those weird Grey Enterprises handle bar combos - it is drops, and bar ends plus straight bar all in one. It has a mix of old style xt and lx mountainbike gear on it.   This is a lovely bike for cruising the flatlands of Cambridgeshire.

I also have a Gary Fisher montare mountain bike with fancy tubing that weighs nothing and all XT components, plus front suspension.  A lovely mountainbike - but I live in Cambridgeshire...  It was good when I lived on Exmoor....


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 24 Jul 09 at 3:31pm

Heres my beasty,

The obligatory arty shots.....

Also have a carbon singlespeed but cant find any good pics of it on here.

Also have a horrible road bike but hate riding on the road though have done a 70km sportive and 50mile sponsored ride this year on it.



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Jul 09 at 3:33pm
I like it Chris. I keep feeling lured towards the way of the full bouncer but keep assuring myself that being shaken to bits on a hardtail is more 'rewarding'!

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 24 Jul 09 at 3:39pm

cheers Tim, I love it. I snapped my old stumpjumper fsr.

Grew up on fully rigids and hardtails so feel fully justified in having my full sus now! I dont particularly like riding uphill and am not very good at it anyway so for me its not much of a penalty to drag the extra weight around and just makes the down bits so much more fun.....



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Jul 09 at 3:43pm
Ah yeah, I saw about your stumpy on pistonheads I think. Shame.

The trek fuel ex9 in white is pretty much bike porn... would look good in my quiver next to my chrome Marin



mmmmmmm


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 24 Jul 09 at 3:49pm

Indeed. I do have a thing for white bikes atm. I also really wanted a remedy but the enduro worked out about half the price for similar spec so had to have it really.



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Posted By: FreshScum
Date Posted: 27 Jul 09 at 11:03pm

my road bike (Giant OCR 2) has been stolen, so I'm looking to get a new bike. What should I get? looking to spend from 600 upwards, as bikes seem to have got expensive, but obviously open to any deals!

suggestions?



Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 7:31am

Just reserected my old fully rigid Team Marin for the ride to work, gears are a bit sticky and brakes squeak, but hey!!

Of course there is my uber sweet proper bike...you can keep your flash in the pan full sus.  Massi titanium hardtail mmmmm springy whippy weigh nothing joy.



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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 8:44am
Why am I not surprised at the high proportion of lycra spanky clad benders
herein..



My mount of joy..

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:16am

Perfect ride for a purveyor of starch..

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:24am
Looks like just the right bike for riding around in Essex Grumph!

Funny that they've chosen to run the Olympic mountain biking in Essex also... rather than somewhere in the UK that actually has mountains...

Sorry, still not got pics of my bike. You wont approve Grumps as the disc rotors are smaller than the ones on my car...


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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:28am

Managed a 25 mile TT on my bike on Saturday in 58:05 ... well happy with that.

Average speed for the event 25.8mph.



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:30am
If you were a real man Rick, you'd be attempting the TT on Grumphs rig. Just think how much fitter you'd be with all that pedal bob and drag from the 3" tyres 

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:44am

Originally posted by timnoyce

If you were a real man Rick, you'd be attempting the TT on Grumphs rig. Just think how much fitter you'd be with all that pedal bob and drag from the 3" tyres 

Why would I want to ride a bike with cartwheels  

I think we could start a mountain biking v road biking bickering thread here ...

Campag v Shimano anyone, Armstong clean/dirty?

 



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:51am
Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by timnoyce

If you were a real man Rick, you'd be attempting the TT on Grumphs rig. Just think how much fitter you'd be with all that pedal bob and drag from the 3" tyres 

Why would I want to ride a bike with cartwheels  

I think we could start a mountain biking v road biking bickering thread here ...

Campag v Shimano anyone, Armstong clean/dirty?



Lets not go down that road/mudtrack please. I have a mountain bike, a single speed road bike and soon to have a full susser rig so I don't really see myself as in any particular faction!


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 11:57am
Originally posted by timnoyce

Looks like just the right bike for riding around in Essex


ER what makes you think I ride anywhere near Essex?

Hythe's in Kent, the Garden of England, albeit a hilly bit , but at least it's not
like the composte heap on the North Shore..

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 12:06pm
Sorry Grumph, didn't mean to offend! I meant the east in general.

The Whyte does look like a nice bit of kit. Is the quoted 28lb weight of it relevant to a bike of your size... or my size?! Either way, its pretty fappin light for that sort of set up. Think my hardtail is around 23-24lbs and that ain't heavy!


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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 12:36pm
It's getting on a bit now, I've been waiting for the new carbon jobbie whilst
contemplating distributing this...



An interesting bit of kit.

But with quite a high price point, over six grand..

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 12:47pm
I saw them a while back. Considering the weight of some of the more conventional looking Scott carbon frames I'm not really sure they will catch on. They do look mental though.

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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 28 Jul 09 at 1:17pm

One of the colder descents last year - in July!

 



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 31 Jul 09 at 2:31pm
Finally got the pics to work....









It's fair to say that after a weeked at Afan with over 60k cycled in the rain it wasn't that clean! Bit of muc-off on my return and its back to its former glory again... just with no pad left on the discs front or back!


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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 01 Aug 09 at 11:20am
cycled to and from work for the first time yesterday. Ten miles each way, south cambs so pretty much flat. Still, think I might have to do this more. Might help with this thing called "fitness" that I hear people going on about...

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 10:21am

Spuds it is James..... If you let me know when you are finishing your lap I'll catch you so you dont fall off in front of the amassed crowd on the patio!!!

You wont regret the spds, they are the best thing. Just remember to twist your heel out BEFORE you stop (and the correct one for the side you are putting your foot down on - sounds simple but if you've pulled the wrong one out and over balance the other way the look on the face is priceless!)....

Did you buy shimano pedals? Do you know if you have single or multi release cleats?



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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 10:27am

TT

For what its worthy my (honest!) advice is:

I call them S-P-Ds definately not spuds.  Somewhat counter intuitively they can be referred to a clipless pedals (though they patently do clip your feet on!) but I think that is a throwback to the days of toe clips and straps...

Whatever you call them (if anything), once mastered they are essential for the "pedalling in circles" stuff ie pulling up as well as pushing down.  Without them all you can do is stomp down - bit like only being able to sail on one tack.

Be warned - everyone has a comedy moment when learning with them.  Gracefully coming to a stop at a junction or whatever, forgetting to unclip and a gentle-ish topple off with feet still firmly attached.  Hopefully onto the pavement side.  Pride is usually more damaged than anything else.  I always inclip my left foot - good for kerbs when at rest - and it makes you fall left not right...  But everyone has their own preference.

Set the adjustment to a low release pressure initially (small allen key on nose of each pedal, there are usally + and - marks unless you bought really cheap ones).

To save your knees, unclip by moving heel outwards when your leg is at/near the bottom of the pedal stroke.

When you get fanatic/obsessive you may find yourself spending a fortune getting  your cleats (that's the bit on the bottom of the shoe, not on your boat) set in just the right place by a professional bike fitter.  Do that before your knees hurt not afterwards...  A bikeshop should be able to help with the initial cleat set up.

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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 10:47am

I think Chris was asking if the pedals are double sided - much easier to use as you don't have to flip the pedal right side up before clipping in.

 



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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 11:05am

Good choice - but probably means you will have to adjust the release tension on all four (two each side).  On anew set of pedals I wind the setting down to minimum and then, depending on how macho I am feeling, wind each setting up x 90 deg "clicks".

Start small and if you find your feet pull out with all that power tighten the setting up a bit.  As the cleats wear you will need to tighten the settings maybe unevenly (I get though more left cleats than right because of unclipping one leg all the time on my commute - 19 miles each way into London, 85 sets of traffic lights...!)



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 11:15am
I have a set of these on my bike...



I believe they are very similar to the way the shimano ones work. You can see on they have the little adjustment screw on them to adjust how tight they clip. When I first started I had them set as loose as possible just so that clipping in and out was easier, and if I were to fall off I assumed my feet would "fall out". This seemed to be the case. I have since wound them up as tight as possible as I could feel a slight bit of play in them which was bugging me!

I have fallen off on a number of occasions since having the spds, only probably half of them having been caused by the pedals themself! Normally they cause you to topple off when either moving incredibly slowly in traffic, or coming to a stop. (it might sound stupid, but you have to remind yourself at first that you need to do something different with your feet when coming to a stop. But toppling off in front of a bunch of school girls at a bus stop is probably a good lesson learned !) The other times have been when going up rocky technical uphills in the rain, losing traction with the back wheel and just not being able to put a foot down. I've ended up in some nice heather bushes on a few occasions on dartmoor!

When I've stacked it in a big way downhill due to 'driver error' I have come complete free of the bike on all but one effort (normally about 20feet further down the trail).

The benefits are amazing. Just think about pedalling circles, then when you do come to gun it just give it everything up and down strokes and you'll be amazed at your new found speed. You'll find that the first few trips out you ache in new places, but after a while you'll find that you can go much further as you are using all the muscles less.

Oh... and its dead easy to do bunny hops too


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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 11:35am
I know! That was my highlight too. My first trip out involved bunny hopping over everything in my path (much to the disgust of my girlfriend who thought we were going out for a casual ride!)


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 1:05pm

Cool that you got proper double sided pedals, the half and halfs are worst of both worlds I reckon. What I meant was the cleats that go on your shoes for shimano pedals can be single or multi release. If they are single you can only pull your heel outwards, but if they are multi, basically wiggling your heel in any direction (apart from up or down) will release the shoe from the pedal.


As others have said everyone falls off when learning. You probably wont tonight if its your first time with them as it will be uppermost in your mind so when coming to a stop you'll release really early to make sure. Its when you think you have it cracked and need to stop quickly that you'll forget.

I always ride with my pedals as tight as i can on all my bikes but then my cleats must be getting on for 15 years old so are perhaps a little worn out..... SPD's are great allowing you to spin circles with the pedals, but I reckon they are best for actually holding your feet on the pedals when you gun it through a rock garden and the bike is bucking all over the place. Ive got no idea how people cope with flatties! If you need any help/advice tonight just ask.

Tim, I bought a pair of those ritcheys and i cant get them anywhere near tight enough, do they actually hold your cleats? Maybe it is because mine are so old so may have to try them with some new cleats and see if they are any better.



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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 1:12pm

Chris - I change cleats on my shoes about every 6 months - I've no idea how you have managed to get them to last 15 years!  The pedals themselves seem to last about 5000 commuting miles before the bearings go.



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 1:22pm

lol I won't tell you then that I'm still on my original set of cleats and pedals (3rd pair of shoes though in 15 years...). The pedals have never been serviced, i've never greased them or anything. Absolutely amazing engineering. I think they may be some of the original shimano ones carved from granite (you can see them on my enduro on page 2 of this thread scratched to hell but still working!)...  I have a set of newer M-525's is it i think on my road bike and the cleats work fine in those too.

The cleats do look fooked and are really rubbed down (part of the reason I cant get them off is the bolt heads are knackered) but they still click in and stay attached pretty much no matter what. I dont use them for commuting though so probably dont do as many clip in and outs as you do in 6 months but have used them on my mountain bike and road bike everytime i get on it and we do ride fairly often!



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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 2:00pm
[QUOTE=chrisg]


I reckon they are best for actually holding your feet on the pedals when you gun it through a rock garden and the bike is bucking all over the place. Ive got no idea how people cope with flatties!




Those of us who grew up on BMXs with no clicky pedals will know that there are ways and means of ensuring your feet stick to the pedals when pulling off some knarly maneouvres. I've only ever seriously lost my feet off of the pedals on my MTB once after a bit of showboating in North Nibley quarry and had I actually been paying attention to what I was about to ride over, rather than grinning like a muppet at my adoring fans I would have been fine.

I guess the same argument is applicable for fitting toe-loops on RS600s, which I also think is pointless. Just learn to look at whats coming and get some balance!


Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 2:05pm

James, we met a guy on a cyclocross bike coming down as we were heading up the pass between wasdale head and seathwaite in the lake district on a cyclo cross bike. Nutter. So no excuses there then....

I also grew up pre-spds so can ride without them, my rock garden comment was a little tongue in cheek, sorry perhaps should have used a smily face thingy....



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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 2:39pm

Originally posted by turnturtle

...this is purely for man-made tracks and
knobbly warwickshire B roads my friend!

Thats is the extent of use of most "mountain" bikes



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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 3:10pm

Since I havn't got a car atm I've been cycling around on my dads bike he picked up on ebay. Mid range hybrid thing that someone built. It does the job but is a little worn around the edges and the frame is on the verge of being too big. I still enjoy over taking trafic on it though down the hills! I've got to get a speedo thing on it.

Now im working (my tits off!) I'm going to put together a quality lightweight road bike for me to gun around London on.



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by turnturtle

...this is purely for man-made tracks and
knobbly warwickshire B roads my friend!

Thats is the extent of use of most "mountain" bikes



This is so true. The other thing that amazes me is the huge number of 'all the gear, no idea' people you do see at the trail centres. Fine, they have gone to the effort of actually finding some mud, but to see someone pushing their full carbon full sus XC bike through a relatively tame rocky section really is laughable! It's like buying a brand new pre preg carbon over nomex I14 to learn to sail. (at the same time, I actively encourage this sort of behaviour as when they come to sell their bike on ebay in 6 months time after only having ridden round Hyde Park I will get a bargain... and it also keeps my LBS in business for when I need to buy a new chain or set of pads!)


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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by turnturtle

...this is purely for man-made
tracks and knobbly warwickshire B roads my friend!


Thats is the extent of use of most "mountain" bikes



which is exactly the reason why I didn't upgrade to a lighter 'mountain' bike
when I wanted to shed a bit of weight from the Specialized Hardrock I was
punting around the same routes.... hybrid bikes, which I guess is where a
cyclocross sits, seems to me to be a good solution for the less image
conscious rider who doesn't want a pure road machine and also doesn't want
to shell out for an MTB that's light enough to enjoy on the road as well.

A cyclo cross bike seems to be a good general purpose choice ...



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 4:21pm
You can just put proper slicks on it too and then I really don't see how it really differs from a proper road bike.

I found that I was scared to use my road bike around town, with the dropped handlebars I found it really hard to have my head up for good visual awareness yet still be able to use the brakes. I used to just get really bad neck ache! Now, being in Devon, you need mountain bike style gear ratios to get up some of the hills so I'm sticking with the Marin!



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Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 4:36pm
What are brake extenders?

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 4:39pm
Well i had a nasty incident with flip flops and the pedals on my bike at abersoch, I have a huge chunk of flesh dangling about on  my ankle which i have been told need stiches!

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 4:54pm

Originally posted by Merlinboy

Well i had a nasty incident with flip flops and the pedals on my bike at abersoch, I have a huge chunk of flesh dangling about on  my ankle which i have been told need stiches!

Don't be such a jessie; duct tape will fix that ...



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

You can just put proper slicks on it too and then I really don't see how it really differs from a proper road bike.

I found that I was scared to use my road bike around town, with the dropped handlebars I found it really hard to have my head up for good visual awareness yet still be able to use the brakes. I used to just get really bad neck ache! Now, being in Devon, you need mountain bike style gear ratios to get up some of the hills so I'm sticking with the Marin!



I forgot to take the peak off of my helmet, that made vis even worse!


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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 5:58pm
Just commuterised my singlespeed with some sturdy (but sadly, quite heavy) slicks.

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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 07 Sep 09 at 3:47pm
Picked this up on Saturday. Not too fancy and I could have
spent few quid more on a bike with carbon bits and lighter
parts but it'll be used pretty hard and I'll inevitably
abuse it. I only use it for bombing around town.



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 11:14am
Red bikes are always fast....

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 12:57pm
Looks nice Ross, ticks all the boxes.

I snapped my rear mech hanger last time out so have had to replace that... and I need new tyres. What a minefield it is choosing them! Anyone recommend any good XC tyres? I want 2.1's which are sub 500 grams and don't break the bank!


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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 1:20pm
500 g for a tyre; are you kidding?

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Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 1:26pm
at least at 500g you wont get punchers they would be solid.


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 3:19pm
How much do you think mountain bike tyres weigh?! I know for a road bike you are looking at 200 grams ish, but there is slightly more to a MTB tyre.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=21537 - http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=21537

The mountain king supersonics weigh in at 460grams and they are pretty light as they don't have any kevlar or wire beading.

for a wire bead downhill tyre you're looking at over 900 grams!
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=38427 -
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=38427




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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 3:31pm
Feck ... no wonder they are slow going up hills ...

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 3:36pm
but probably not as slow as you trying to go up a muddy track on your roadie! 

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 4:20pm

Originally posted by timnoyce

but probably not as slow as you trying to go up a muddy track on your roadie! 

Nah ... just pick it up & run ...



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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 10 Sep 09 at 9:58pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b36Yi-Pb1wM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b36Yi-Pb1wM

Come on lads, you're being beaten by the Germans!!

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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 18 Sep 09 at 8:43am
So, celebrity cock/chef James Martin- just how much of a t*t is he? 

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 18 Sep 09 at 9:39am
Did any one see him when he did the Millie miglia race, it was a whole TV show about him an d his quest to do the race!  It basically was him showing off how much money he had!!  Best part about it was he spent like a million pounds on an old Alfa or Masseratti and it broke down on the first stage!  They couldn't fix it and he had to retire!!! Quality!

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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 19 Sep 09 at 12:14am
Originally posted by Villan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b36Yi-
Pb1wM
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b36Yi-Pb1wM

Come on lads, you're being beaten by the Germans!!


Those fixies are all the rage in the city, along with
single speeds.

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 21 Sep 09 at 11:48am

Heres one for the fixies and roadies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn29DvMITu4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn29DvMITu4

Remember its all about performance!!!



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 21 Sep 09 at 11:49am

Oh and while we're on youtube, Danny Macaskill made a new video and very good it is too. Perhaps not as good as "that" video but still worth a looksy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9mhcim3dQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9mhcim3dQ



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 21 Sep 09 at 1:03pm
This is my favourite bike related youtube of the week! He is one crazy mo-fo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYVg5PVbNdM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYVg5PVbNdM

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 21 Sep 09 at 1:39pm
yep he's got some skills....

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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 24 Sep 09 at 3:26pm

woohoo new frame arrived today:

The finish is naked..... steel.... A bit strange and will rust, but as i work in the steel industry its quite fitting for me I reckon!



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Sep 09 at 3:40pm
Is that just polished steel? Is it designed to rust... like those guys you see driving rusty old VW's? "Rat Look"or something is a phrase I've heard?!

Looks cool though. What are your plans with it? Is this to compliment your full susser for more every day style riding?


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 24 Sep 09 at 4:45pm

Hi Tim, Finish wise it is plain steel that is acid dipped then lacquered. And yes, i believe it will rust underneath the lacquer to a certain extent in a ratty way. Obviously wont go totally bright orange, but won't stay pristine, esp if i chip the lacquer. Close up of the headtube here:

I had built a hardtail singlespeed but never use it. Basically I'm not fit enough uphill and then span out at about 12mph downhill so found it pretty useless for what I like to do (i.e. go downhill quickly). This bike is to complement the enduro, and will be used for riding locally and smoother trail centres like cannock and llandegla for which the enduro is a bit overkill. We also live in a clay area so when it rains any trails near us make the specialized (or anything with american mud clearances) bung up solid. This bad boy can take 2.4's i think so the 2.0's I have should provide lots of clearance. Spec wise it wont be anything special to look at, I will use all the old bits (gears and stuff) off my snapped stumpy thats still hanging up in my garage looking very, very sorry for itself. The forks and wheels and other hardware will be donated by the singlespeed.

So far quality looks good for the price (£125)!



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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 3:08pm

Finished it Tim. Took it for a ride yesterday (no wind at draycote) and it rides well. I've nicknamed it the anvil, as its not exactly light, but doesnt feel heavy to pedal.

more pics of it on my flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/98882529@N00/ - http://www.flickr.com/photos/98882529@N00/



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 29 Sep 09 at 4:13pm
That's cool Chris!

on another note... who recently said this...

"It's always a no brainer if I want to ride a product myself and as for the Transition Bikes team, anyone who would divert during a business trip to visit Slough as fans of the Office have to be on our business wavelength, we're looking forward to a long and fruitful relationship."




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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 30 Sep 09 at 12:14am
Newly fitted speedometer peaked at 36.5mph on the way
home from work. Fastest yet but I'm trying to break 40.
The hill isn't particularly steep but it is about 1/2
mile long. I've maxed out my tyre pressure to 125 PSI in
an effort to go faster and it's worked, but no enough.

Any tips on how I can smash 40 without resorting to
properly gay skin tight fetish wear (not that sailors
cover themselves in skin tight neoprene on a weekly
basis...). Anyone who knows me, knows that the old barnet
could do with a trim and that might push me over 37mph!

I'm looking for longer and steeper hills and I know of a
couple in the local area. I've got the afternoon off
tomorrow so I'm going on a speed chasing session. I
should probably get a helmet...and that hair cut.

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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 30 Sep 09 at 6:48am
Managed to set off a speed camera yet? That speed you should be able to trigger a Gatso, as I understand it humans do have enough of a radar profile to be detected.

Switched on the tele at some point at the weekend and the ladies road race was on. I was impressed with dexterity of the biker cameramen in trying to get the best position for "ar.se cam". Top work those blokes!

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 30 Sep 09 at 8:48am
Nice one Ross, I went out for a ride the other week from Kingsbridge to Salcombe on the back roads and it is like a roller coaster. I broke 40mph on 3 seperate occasions on my mountain bike running 2.1" tyres on the lanes. One was particularly gnarly as the hairpin at the bottom of the hill was loose gravel so ended up a 2 wheels skid sideways. Brown pant situation.

Would probably suggest getting a helmet asap. I don't leave home without mine any more.


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Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 30 Sep 09 at 12:10pm
40 is easy on a road bike. But depends to some extent on your gearing as well. One of the guys we ride with bought a new road bike and the gearing on it is ridculous, he spins out at about 20mph when we're all just engaging big gear. Do you know what your ratio is, biggest front cog, to smallest rear?

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 30 Sep 09 at 12:16pm

Anyone who cycles without a helmet has clearly got no brains to protect.

Speed is all about position first and aero gadgets & rolling resistance second.

Get low on the bike; drop your bars and remove any spacers ... push pedals harder/faster ....



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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 05 Oct 09 at 3:43pm
Clocked 46.5mph the other day with ease.

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 05 Oct 09 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

That's cool Chris! on another note... who recently said this...<span id="Deion" ="Normal"><span lang="EN-
US">"It's always a no brainer if I want to ride a product myself and as for the Transition Bikes
team, anyone who would divert during a business trip to visit Slough as
fans of the Office have to be on our business wavelength, we're looking
forward to a long and fruitful relationship."
</span></span>


http://www.singletrackworld.com/2009/10/transition-bikes-have-new-distribution-in-the-uk/ - Nice Video

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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 06 Oct 09 at 12:27pm
not doing down the technology or the general pimpy-ness of these bikes at all, but how easy is it to start a bike company and quickly start charging £1000+ for just a frame?? cost of these things is barmy....might sound like "glass houses" coming from a dinghy sailor but even at the micro-manufacturing volume scale most dinghy gear is made at, the margins and competition keep most gear at reasonable levels, whereas I'm wondering who's spending £5k+ on a new MTB?  c'mon hands up!

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 06 Oct 09 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by getafix

not doing down the technology or the general pimpy-
ness of these bikes at all, but how easy is it to start a bike company and
quickly start charging £1000+ for just a frame?? cost of these things is
barmy....might sound like "glass houses" coming from a dinghy sailor but
even at the micro-manufacturing volume scale most dinghy gear is made
at, the margins and competition keep most gear at reasonable levels,
whereas I'm wondering who's spending £5k+ on a new MTB?† c'mon
hands up!


The majority dinghy market as I constantly point out, is not really image
driven.

If it were then brands like "Rooster" "Musto" "Magic Marine" "Gill" etc etc
wouldn't stand a snowballs chance...

But then again nor is the majority bike market.

But the bike offers more than just a hobby/action leisure pursuit, it is
more multi faceted than sailing from a leisure stand point.

If you consider the sport from a slightly altered perspective and view it as
another 'wind driven' activity that shares it's potential consumer base with
kite surfing, windsurfing, kite mountain boarding then its weaknesses
become all the more apparent.
Hence why it is incapable of sustaining the sort of prices and margins that
the more image opinion lead action niche sports do.

Back to the question at hand, how easy? It's not now.

In every sport occasionally opportunities arise as a particular activity gets
radicalised by the more active/aggressive types that find a way to develop
a product not catered for by the mainstream, bringing with it a boutique
brand label then company's can spring up on the 'new wave'.

Bike had a recent surge with the all mountain outback downhillers needing
longer travel forks and beefier almost moto styel suspension systems and
regions like the Pacific North West brought about niche brands like
Transition.

It happens in dinghy world. The MPS is just such an example and is
probably the best of a bad bunch image wise, with RS a close second imho

But the mistake made as again I've frequently pointed out, is the divorce
from the reality of the customer base's ability to sustain employment and
the necessary skill to enjoy the product.

Which limits the market and thus the volume and thus the profitability
long term.

I'm rambling sorry...

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 06 Oct 09 at 2:21pm

I think sailing/board sports and cycling have a lot in common; parts of the sport are image concious and parts are not.

The cycle racing I do is not image concious at all it's all performance driven but of course mountain biking is a different storey.

I think dinghy sailing is like road cycling (all flavours) and boards sports are like MTB.

I think it's the peoples attitudes that define the segment rather than the location of the activity. I suspect I have very little in common with a typical kite surfer but a lot in common with a road cyclist; I am more interested in function, quality & performance than I am image as is shown in my avatar, you dont wear a helmet like that to look good ...



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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:29pm

Just in the process of getting a road bike. Its only costing around £200 so nothing great. Just wondered if you guys found it actually made a difference to your sailing fitness? I cant get out in the 300 much at uni and suffer because of it when i do sail at events. Im using it to get to uni and back 3/4days a week instead of the car (when its not raining). Its 4miles and relatively hilly. How long will it take? and will it help my sailing fitness for those times i cant sail?

Any particular makes/ models to avoid?

cheers guys



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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:30pm
Originally posted by tmoore

Just in the process of getting a road bike. Its only costing around £200 so nothing great. Just wondered if you guys found it actually made a difference to your sailing fitness? I cant get out in the 300 much at uni and suffer because of it when i do sail at events. Im using it to get to uni and back 3/4days a week instead of the car (when its not raining). Its 4miles and relatively hilly. How long will it take? and will it help my sailing fitness for those times i cant sail?

Any particular makes/ models to avoid?

cheers guys

What the chuff are you playing at then?? Your not studying are you?



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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:37pm
its not a fact of getting the boat to and from the sailing club each time (no free boat spaces). Its a pain getting it all packed up every time i go sailing.

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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by tmoore

Just in the process of getting a road bike. Its only costing around £200 so nothing great. Just wondered if you guys found it actually made a difference to your sailing fitness? I cant get out in the 300 much at uni and suffer because of it when i do sail at events. Im using it to get to uni and back 3/4days a week instead of the car (when its not raining). Its 4miles and relatively hilly. How long will it take? and will it help my sailing fitness for those times i cant sail?

Any particular makes/ models to avoid?

cheers guys

Depends what boat you are sailing; it helps but I found gym work more useful ... since I have stopped gym and done lots of biking my weight has dropped 8kgs; not ideal for the MPS



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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 5:58pm

RS300. so plenty of hiking (which is where i die after not sailing much all term).



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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 07 Oct 09 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by tmoore

RS300. so plenty of hiking (which is where i die after not sailing much all term).

I think cycling will help but it's not a total solution for a hiker.

The Y&Y fitness articles are pretty good; dunno if they are available here from back issues?



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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 4:11pm
Just bought an exposure maxx D light, got it for the bargain price of £279 from rutland cycles. With free postage... I really hope its worth the money!

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 4:53pm
Looks good Stu...

I recently got an LED lamp from Dealextreme, 900 lumens and only a shade over £50. It's really bright and light. Not used it with avengence yet, but so far so good!




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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 7:01pm
I looked into that but wanted something that was in the uk as i'm starting to need it daily for the commute. It took a lot for me to justify to myself that its worth spending the cash... but its going to be par birthday present from my mum and old man and Debi so that significantly reduced the amount i needed to pay myself.

On another topic this commuting business is getting silly my £260 roadie wil have done over 1000 miles by the end of next week. Glad I'm not using the stumpy for the commute now!


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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 7:49pm
haha, I bet that the wear and tear on that is a whole lot less than even a quarter of that mileage with the mountain bike out in Wales. I worked out how much I had spent on my bike the other week and it was pretty horrendous reading!

Point taken on the lights. Mine will only be used for night riding on the mountain bike so didn't really want to spend loads. Could have bought 6 sets though and mounted them on the handle bars for the same price! You gutted that your lights are worth more than your bike?!


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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 11 Oct 09 at 8:21pm
Its a bit like when I was 17....(car stereo cost loads more than the car!) Luckily its only a fraction of the cost of my Stumpy!

I've spent a lot on the stumpy! The road bike has only had tyres (the cheap hutchinson ones on it only lasted 450 miles!) a set of spd pedals, a computer, its been tuned once, had the chain cleaned once and gets more chainlube once a month! Stumpy would have had a few sets of tyres, plenty of brake pads, 3 or 4 chains, a few sets of jockey wheels and probably lots more!

We'll have to arrange a northern (well midlands based) xc weekend with a night ride sometime soon. (Debi would like to join in too)


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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 12 Oct 09 at 8:46am
On a different note:
Recumbants: why? I can understand that they may well be better for your back, and that they are potentially more efficient and faster.

But around town, surely they're an awful idea?Yet still I see the occasional idiot on one in stop-start traffic in the middle of Cambridge, craning his neck (for it is always a "he") and trying not to fall flat or be run over by a lorry.


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Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 12 Oct 09 at 4:02pm

Originally posted by alstorer

Recumbents: why?

Donít get me started! There is an idiot that insists on riding his out to the village where I live. The road goes up a steep hill between hedgerows that are about 10 foot high and thereís a right angle bend half way up.

First time I came across him he was just round the corner travelling about 5MPH, if that. Heís got a pink flag on a mast, but I couldnít see it because of the hedges. After that the road goes gently downhill for about half a mile to the village. Came out the drive the other week and there is this thing bouncing down the road at about 40 with a couple of cars following it.

As far as Iím concerned Recumbent bike = Suicide machine.

Come to think of it not seen him recently!



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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 12 Oct 09 at 4:33pm
Also: grown men on quite-clearly-not-stolen BMXs: you look like utter prats.

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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 13 Oct 09 at 12:57pm
Also: shiny multi-thousand-pound MTBs on racks on the back of immaculate 4x4s


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