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Topic: Jib sheets
Posted By: headfry
Subject: Jib sheets
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 2:27pm
Can  I have your views on this subject please............

Are continuous jib sheets a better idea than each side ( as it were ) - on an RS400

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by headfry

Are continuous jib sheets a better idea

I tend to use continuous sheets on the grounds that I find that an end is about 4 times more likley to get tangled on/in something.

Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 2:53pm
If you dont tiy them togever they can get sucked in by your selfe balers


Posted By: moomin
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 3:48pm
I would say continuous sheets are a must on the 400 loose ends inside the boat will get caught and tangled and it also means the helm can get hold of them to adjust if the crew is having to concentrate on the kite.  I tie both end to the jib so there are no loose ends or knots inside the boat.  Also not going to come undone as they might if you just tie the two ends together.


Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 5:43pm
Also I tend to hike holding onto my sheets so that I have somehting to pull back on and if worst comes to worst you can uncleat everything. If you havce continuous sheets it is easy to get hold of the 'leeward' sheet as it is attached to the end of the one you have next to you.


Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 6:30pm

I agree continous sheets are best.  Also good in a 400 is for the crew to tack with your back to the mast.  That way it keeps your weight forward and you don't have to duck so low since you bum fits nicely into the triangle formed by the kicker.  The jib sheets fall nicely to hand also. 

I know Headfry is probably not that interested in racing but if you are you still have to be able to tack facing forward because at the windward mark it is still required.  When tacking close to the mark you have to be able to tack, sit out hard (and slightly more aft than normal to keep the bow out)  for the bear away and then get the pole out and on completion of the bear away raise the kite.  To do that and not get completely dizzy requires a forward facing tack.  Incidentally another racing tip is don't sit on the thwart - I know its comfortable there but its too far aft unless it blowing a bit - in which case you should be sitting out!

Posted By: Mike278
Date Posted: 21 Mar 05 at 7:18pm
though continuous jib sheets have advantages, it also comes down to personal preferance (i prefer seperate jib sheets).

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 9:31am
Thanks a million (again) for the invalueable help.  Think we will go for cont. jib sheets.

Redback, yes we will have a go at racing, but we don't want to mess with the good guys and spoil their racing   so we have to advance our skills first   then we will  go for it!!   Still can't believe I have a boat, wanted this from the age of 11! 

Hope to have a go at rigging her over Easter (should be fun), and if weather is calm, then it's out on the water for us!     or in the water for us!! 

Wishing you all "happy sailing over the Easter hols."

Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 5:29pm

Talking as someone who always races and almost never cruises (you couldn't in a 4000 anyway).  I'm always keen to encourage people to race and very tolerant of their mistakes.  Cruising is OK but there is nothing like the pressure of competition to drive yourself to higher levels of achievement, and frankly achievement is what gives the greatest satisfaction.

So Headfry, please race, you've bought a beautiful racing machine, I'm sure other racers will be helpful and tolerant and you will enjoy the boat so much more.

Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 5:32pm
yeah, I would say race. But it is upto personal choice. Also I see you have chosen cont. jib sheets.  if they are too much trouble they can always be cut into two.


Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 6:03pm

You only need to know about 3 basic rules and some common sense to start racing.

If the start line is crowded start about 10 seconds back from every one else. Easiest way is at the startboard end of the line after everyone is lining up reach down to leeward behind everyone and then as the gun goes harden up into a space. You will be at the back, but not too far back. You can then follow the fleet round, so you get a course to steer and you can see how many of the slower boats you can overtake. pictures worth a thousand words (no rude comments about my artistic skills please)

I would advise anyone starting racing until they have built up their confidence to:

  • Leave a couple of boat lengths between you and anyone to leeward
  • and the essential rules - Same tack windward boat keeps clear
  • Port gives way to starboard
  • At a mark give the inside boat plenty of room and until you're happy with close quarters handling go wide (or slowdown)rather than trapped in the middle of a bunch (in fact if a big bunch is at a mark slow is often faster even for experienced racers)

You could also buy an understanding the rules book - Bryan Willis is fairly straightforward but there are lots available. Don't buy the actual rules because you can download them for free and if you're not familar with the interpretations they'll seem like gobblydegook anyway.

You could also get one of the better sailors at your club to helm for a few races for you so you get a feel for what's going on. Anticipation is the key to avoiding incidents (and, as I'm sure Redback will confirm, the faster your boat the more you have to anticipate).


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Posted By: Mike278
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 6:04pm
To improve your skills i would say you should race as it makes you think about everything to get the best out the boat, so you should improve quicker, and most club racing is friendly enough so people shouldn't be to annoyed if you occasionly get in their way.  

Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.

Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 9:25pm
Great idea, Garry.  I'll use it with some of the newer racers at Bough Beech.

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Mar 05 at 11:37pm
On rules, I came across this summary:-

1. Avoid collisions.
2. Port keeps clear of starboard.
3. Windward keeps clear of leeward
4. The boat astern keeps clear of the boat ahead.
5. A boat tacking keeps clear of one that is not.
6. If you gain right of way or change course, give the other boat time to keep clear.
7. The inside boat(s) at two boat lengths from the mark is entitled to room to round the mark.
8. A boat that is backing up or not racing keeps clear.
9. If you have violated a rule, take a penalty
This summary was written by Don Becker, a senior (sailing) judge for the US Sailing association.

Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 12:11am
Yeah the rules in a nutshell.


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 12:45am

Garry and JimC

Thank you very much for these tips. I'd like to start racing this season and rules are really daunting. I'm sure the other contestants will be indulgent, but I'll feel much better when I've memorised a few basic rules. To prove your point, Garry, I picked up the rules book once (not twice  ) and it made very little sense... I suppose it gets clearer once on the water. From what I can gather, lots of those basic rules are directed by common sense and safety for all competitors. No to mention fairness of the game

------------- - Lancing SC

Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 9:21am
Originally posted by KnightMare

yeah, I would say race. But it
is upto personal choice. Also I see you have chosen
cont. jib sheets.  if they are too much trouble they
can always be cut into two.

careful here...continuous sheets can be a lot shorter
than the combined length of seperate sheets. This is
more noticeable on the spinnaker than the jib, but
still true.
that is another advantage of continuous sheets

Dr. Clifford

take two tablets twice daily

Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 9:54am
  Wow, heaps of help, great ideas about starting to race, thanks, I will give it a go! Need a little time to get to know her first though. Mr Headfry is very keen to race and I will give it my best shot too!! We have some very kind racing folk at my club and I am sure they will help with getting us on the right track 

Hope to take her out for the first time over Easter, nervous but very excited

Thanks kind forum'ites for all your help and encouragement!!

Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 12:41pm
We use contiuous sheeting but with the ends of the sheets tied in the middle of the boat this always gives you something to grab for if u drop the sheet. We have one length of rope with the center attached to the jib by pushing the folded over center through the cringle and thn putting the rope back through this created loop you have a very light atachment on the sail.


Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 23 Mar 05 at 2:15pm

yeah Doc, I did think about that when writting it. But it is still a posibility.

I agree with Calum that is one good way of doing sheets, must admit we have it diferently and that the two ends are attached to the jib, by passing them through from either side and tying a knot. Im not exactly sure why it is done in this way other than thats the normal way in the class.


Posted By: pro wannabe
Date Posted: 24 Mar 05 at 8:19pm
i always use continuous sheets they dont get caught and when my crew is hanging off the trap and they dropp them they can just reach down and pick up the other end!Smile

Your spinni aint as big as your mouth!

Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 12:52pm
How do you right a boat (RS 400) when using continuous jib sheets?

Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Mar 05 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by headfry

How do you right a boat (RS 400) when using continuous jib sheets?

Same way. If there's enough length to play the jib effectively when hanging off the back corner on a two sail reach there's enough length for capsize recovery.

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