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Topic: Whats the matter with the forum.
Posted By: 29er310
Subject: Whats the matter with the forum.
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:11pm
The forums seems to have erased some stuff.

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Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:22pm
All the important threads are there- favourite videos+ photos...


Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:29pm
Everything between 15 April and this morning is gone due to the site getting hacked this morning. Sorry!


Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:36pm
What happened?

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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:41pm

Originally posted by 29er310

What happened?

 

The site got hacked



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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:45pm
Couldn't have put it better myself! LOL


Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:45pm
Yeah I got that much.

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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 9:02pm
Ilogged on this morning and my laptop went mad with virus warnings!!!!!  I was a little worried as its a works laptop!!!

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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 9:26pm
Ah that would make sense.

Well Done to all ICT Guys to get the forum up and running, I appreciate and know how much pressure you guys are under, speed/time etc.














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Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 9:47pm
We're just very VERY angry....


Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 10:08pm
No recent backups lads?

Shameful!

On a serious note ... good work getting it all back up ... Im sure nothing important was posted between the 15th and now ... Just GRF and his (many) Alto threads!

Only important question ... Did they  remove all the logs? I'm sure we can hunt them down, and send "The Boys" (Cherub'ers, angle grinders, and large pieces of sharp Carbon?) to do some "Debt collection" for the hassle?



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by Villan

I'm sure we can hunt them down

Shanghai if you believe their DNS registration (which I imagine is falsified too), so rather a long way to go.

Its pretty certain they're from China though.


Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 11:03pm
Hmmm ... China you say?

The team will be out there in a few weeks (If the first few havnt started heading out there already ....) ... Lets set some Finn boys on 'em!!


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Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 11:14pm

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Villan

I'm sure we can hunt them down

Shanghai if you believe their DNS registration (which I imagine is falsified too), so rather a long way to go.

Its pretty certain they're from China though.

Ah, I thought it was some random evil Chinese man hacking/killing my lappie this morning.  Log on to Y&Y and all this install Chinese lettering pops up, I say noooo, it says fine we will kill your lappie.  Lappie has hissy fit, well more so than it usually does.

Huge thanks to the guys and girls at Y&Y for getting the site up so quickly



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 9:38am
Originally posted by Villan



No recent backups lads?Shameful! [

Im sure nothing important was posted between the 15th and now ... Just
GRF and his (many) Alto threads!



I dare say the first Alto thread is still there.

But the one I need is now lost!

Lets hope someone who matters read it and took note of all that sage
forum advice..


Shame they didn't keep back ups, it's even worse on the Boards forum,
being much busier they've lost quite a lot more.

Makes you wonder though, with dinghy sailing a much much bigger
activity, why this forum is so slow?

Is it that dinghy and yotties generally are not that techie, or is it the
dominance of girly boy youf, or is it that as a forum it is a bit "stuck up"
to use the vernacular?

Of all the forums I visit, this is by far the least lively, every forum has its
cliques and you do have to have very thick skin to pile straight in, but it
surprises me that a Yachts & Yachting board isn't busier.

I wonder if its the layout.


Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:01am
Its the people on the forum GRF, i think it scares people posting in case they get put down or insulted.  THe foum is full of wannabe skiffies, the sad thing is that these classes represent a very very small part of the dinghy racing scene.

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:40am

Insulted?

Not sure if that's really the case here. If you look at other forums in other disciplines, the tone can be much more aggressive. At least here, there are informative threads and good-humoured banter, even with our dear Grumpf, who's version of comic is spiked with caustic soda.

However, the bit about "wannabe skiffies" is sadly getting more and more prominent with every noisy, hyperactive, txtspk new user bitterly complaining about the harsh life he has, revising his GCSEs in that ghaaaastly public school where you can't even view kinky sites during prep time.

It's a shame that no one in that age group would actually admit sailing a Topper or a Laser without being ribbed and put down by people who talk big.

I do sail Toppers and, in a blow, I haven't been in any other boat you can throw about quite as much!  



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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:44am

Originally posted by G.R.F

Makes you wonder though, with dinghy sailing a much much bigger activity, why this forum is so slow? .

Because most active dinghy classes have their own forums. Many clubs have their own forums. Some classes at clubs have their own forum. And the keelboat sailors are mostly on Sailing Anarchy. This is not the only game in town by any stretch of the imagination. 



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:46am
I like sailing Toppers.....

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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:48am

Originally posted by Merlinboy

Its the people on the forum GRF, i think it scares people posting in case they get put down or insulted.

Nah. Sailors are not such shrinking violets. Sailing Anarchy gets 1000s of posts a day and is 10 times ruder and more aggressive than here.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 11:55am
From what I can see and what I now know from loads of folk who give me
stick having read some of my drivel, there are a lot lot more folk who
read but don't contribute.

That there are the skiffy flat water pseudo "high performance adrenalin
seekers", terribly misplaced imho larging it up is only to be expected, but
that aside, I expected a lot lot more general allround clubby types like
myself.

A bit like Y&Y used to be about, what went on where and when and to
who.

It almost seems this forum is the province of travellers, quite a few
Cherub owners who are amusing to bait in their misguided attempts at
thrill seeking, then a few died in the wool proponents of a given class or
sailing style, but where for instance are all the other RS500 sailors for
instance?

Is it that their interest is better served by the Yahoo groups or is it they
feel somehow likely to be derided by twerps? Twerps I might add that
probably couldn't launch from our beach never mind get a Cherub or
other Skiffy sled round a course.

So is it that simple? Skiff riders ruin forum?

Interesting debate.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Sailing Anarchy gets 1000s of posts a day and is 10 times ruder and more aggressive than here.

I would be very amused to see what happened to our "friend" GRF on SA... Actually I'd probably fall about laughing!


Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:11pm

Originally posted by JimC

I would be very amused to see what happened to our "friend" GRF on SA... Actually I'd probably fall about laughing!

True - he'd learn the meaning of "being given stick".



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:18pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by JimC

I would be very amused to see
what happened to our "friend" GRF on SA... Actually I'd probably fall about
laughing!


True - he'd learn the meaning of "being given stick".



Being given stick?

If you can't take it dont hand it out.

The GRF you see here is a veritable pussy cat, there isn't a bunch of
sailors in the world that would intimidate the boy in full tilt. His full
gamut of abusive talent is neutered by your Prissy Admins..

He cut his forum teeth in the worlds kite forums dumb yanks and aussies
included.

So what's this place called?

It's only any good if there is an element of more than single cell
intelligence, which there is here now and then, it just takes some teasing
out of the woodwork.

Although come to think of it, I'll probably pass, keeping three fora on the
go is enough..


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:19pm
I think BNS and Merlin boy are right. 

There are too many wannabe skiff sailors who look down on anything that doesn't have wings and go very quickly in a f2 before immediately capsizing due to 'gear failure'.  Strangely, these people never appear at the top end of the results lists and would be completely blown out of the water had they to rely on a skill most have foregone in their never ending pursuit of speed - the use of boat on boat tactics.

After this you have the fact you can never post a photo without one such 'expert' telling you you're doing it all wrong, despite the fact you may only be doing it 'wrong' from that particular camera angle or in that split second when the shot was taken.

I do think some of the skiff sailors on here make valid points, and actually are knowledgeable about the boats they sail - I felt the ribbing andy cherub got about his prototype rig was unfair, because a) we need to such adventure to keep classes developing and b) how many of his abusers actually have the knowledge to boat any kind of rig together at all?

I don't really care what sort of language is used, or where people come from or even how old they are (I don't even care about the hot hot hot threads) but it would be nice to see some talk other than about speed and which contained respect for the classes of boat from which many of our top sailors graduate.

I think sailing is drifting away from the real skills, such as tactics, reading the wind shifts and tides and setting up a sound rig and degenerating into a sport that resembles water based drag racing and this forum reflects that.




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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:30pm
I think that there are plenty of us on here who sail slow boats, and there was a recent Firefly thread where people actually admitted to liking sailing a slow boat! But lets face it, there is far more to discuss about development classes, and the pictures are much more fun to look at, so the bias tends to go that way. Without the "skiffies" the forum wouldn't be more active, it would be 1/2 dead.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:33pm
Well that's totally my impression wing-wang and it's so stupidly ironic
given even the slowest windsurfer racing class speed wise will knock a
skiff into a cocked hat. The new Kona OD we're just launching for
instance clocks at 34 kts and it's regarded as slow.

Sailing for me is so totally about tactics, shifts tides and I'm surprised at
how so few sailors these days know even the basics.

Time was we windsurfers turned to the dinghy world for that knowledge,
with guys like Eric Twiname veritable goldmines of info on which to build
your own experience database.

So if you're me, wanting to continue to use that acquired knowledge, and
you turn up on this forum only to be faced with advice from 16 yr olds
being handed out and taken as gospel and drag strip culture prevalent
everywhere but here's the rub, the most inefficient display of out of
control tail walking lauded as excellence, you do wonder what's happened
to the dinghy world.

So maybe most just raise an eyebrow and move on rather than even
bothering to comment.


Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Sailing Anarchy gets 1000s of posts a day and is 10 times ruder and more aggressive than here.

I would be very amused to see what happened to our "friend" GRF on SA... Actually I'd probably fall about laughing!


What is Doug Lord's Y&Y name I wonder!!??


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 1:17pm
I had a quick look at that forum

The next big thing?

Washing up bowls?

They know a lot don't they?

Doesn't look much different, some of the usual suspects that crop up
everywhere.. The usual mix of Bethwaite victims and foilers.





Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 1:24pm

Originally posted by Norbert

What is Doug Lord's Y&Y name I wonder!!??

Doug Lord, oddly enough. But he doesn't seem to have been around here lately. They do make merry with him, don't they?



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 1:27pm

Originally posted by G.R.F

 So what's this place called?

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ - http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/

Don't think they'll be too interested in your RS500 though.

 



Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 1:30pm
SA has a lot of knowledagble sailors, but is still mostly about moths and 18s.  I guess that's where most of the development is, so its only natural to talk about them rather than Larks and Solos.  And of course, DL keeps banging his drum, which keeps foiling firmly on the agenda.  There's also boatdesign.net, but that is more the design side of things (not suprisingly).  Doug turns up there too. 

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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 2:18pm
Splendid, thank you.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 2:35pm
So is that what happens?

A bunch of know nothing morons on an International forum define a boat
as US and this forum all fall in line.

Just goes to show how wrong they all were.

Not one of those Boat names we haven't thrashed in it, given a fair wind
and a reasonable course.

You know, that was what wound me up to the point of getting banned last
time..

lamers defining style..

Then you show em the Hetracil sight and get told to "Watch it" by the
admin...

I hate to think of what they might think of the Alto.


Damn if threads like that don't make me mad.


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 3:01pm

Shhh there there.... don't get yourself in a state like that. They're not worth it, you know...



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 3:03pm
Think I'll take my tablets now and go for a lay down.


Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 4:05pm

 

I do like the comment on there about if a new class is designed the builder has to compulsary-purchase all the boats of the classes that it is intended to replace and burn them, a nice neat solution to a recurring problem.



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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 4:12pm

Originally posted by G.R.F

lamers defining style..
Then you show em the Hetracil sight and get told to "Watch it" by the
admin... .

Still queer-bashing then. It's not big and it's not clever. 



Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by G.R.F

lamers defining style..
Then you show em the Hetracil sight and get told to "Watch it" by the
admin... .

Still queer-bashing then. It's not big and it's not clever. 



Thank you Stefan.


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Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 6:17pm

Actually the public school type you talked of earlier arn't just skiff sailors.. Maybe the od in their free time but most public school sailors Team Race, and if you go to some of the meetings you will see to a pretty damn good standard.. (not saying we do, but others do, and we're not bad).

Therefore they do also know the rules... Just because some of us like the fast boats doesn't mean we don't enjoy sailing the slower boats which are more tactical from time to time.. In fact on the whole probably more. Its nice to do more than one aspect of sailing.

So pretty unfair and wrong to make a generalization like that.. Although you are right, I'm sure there are some that only like the fast boats and don't have a clue about the rules..

For instance I had a very enjoyable sail today in a firefly, Sun and lots of wind, what more can we ask for!



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Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 7:37pm
Im not sure I agree with this mentality that just because its fast its not tactical, even in the international 14 in chichester harbour you still need to take into account the tide and wind shifts round the various bits of land. As GRF has pointed out windsurfers are highly tactical bits of kit, and as he also pointed out the Kona does 34 knots, so it does not really equate in my mind.

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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 7:41pm

Originally posted by winging it



I think sailing is drifting away from the real skills, such as tactics, reading the wind shifts and tides and setting up a sound rig and degenerating into a sport that resembles water based drag racing and this forum reflects that.


Not really, you still have to be able to do all this to win, and both Y&Y and the other magazine are constantly running artilces about these topics.



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 9:32pm
I was thinking the other day, as I was calculating whether the shift that looked to be coming with the next gust was going to be big enough and of sufficient duration to justify tacking the canoe, whether such sailing is really less tactical than a boat that you can roll tack on every shift without losing an inch...


Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 9:50pm

They are both tactical on their different ways I guess.

Some people like their tides (and coastal waters) like G.R.F, (maybe more obsessed with! ). Some people like their speed, some people like their tactical sailing.

To be honest I like all three (atlhough I admit I have not done much coastal sailing). They are still all sailing and its pretty unfair to criticize people for liking what they like. One person may be good at one aspect of sailing (such as high performance boats) But rubbish at tactics.

People always bang on about getting people into our sport, surely havign all these branches of sailing is doing that, maybe not in the first few stages (obviously a beginner wouldn't go straight into a Musto) but it gives people the opportunity to do what they find most fun, ultimately meaning they saill more? And hence making our sport grow?

At the end of the day its still all sailing.. I might only be 16 but i can still see that.. And I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of it and such a big divide. Whats the point?



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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 08 May 08 at 10:28pm
The point that was being made was about the attitudes within this forum - no one was having a go at the sport in general.  Far from it.

Unfortunately the attitude in this forum does not allow people to 'like what they like', instead it disrespects those who sail conventional boats, it disrespects women and it disrespects those who are not heterosexual.

This is possibly why it has such a small number of regular posters.




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