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Topic: Asmy kite wanted
Posted By: andy_cherub
Subject: Asmy kite wanted
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 8:08pm

Hi all,

Im after a kite, J80, Melges 24, Cork 1720 etc. Its to go on a 12ft skiff for a "code zero" rig. Im putting on about a 9m mast and pole length to fit the kite! I know ill have to trim it down a bit to fit - but its only as a trial rig for the moment. Can you guys suggest anything? or know of any suitable kites for sale?

Many thanks, Andy



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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 8:10pm
So how big you thinking andy?

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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 8:23pm
wouldnt a 18footer kite fit

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 8:31pm
Andy, are you sure your after a code zero? Light winds? Tight reaching? bar tight luff? No roach? Flat eliptical profile?

Not sure ive spotted any J80s or melges running zeros to be honest...


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Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 10:08pm
Were just learning but it takes two people to get the J80 kite into the hatch at moment, can't wait to see what its like on a 12ft skiff

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Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 11:03pm

as isis points out boats you mention rarely fly a code zero , seen one on clapped out toy bouy ian cleavers melge but doubt he would sell it ,they only use on passage races when no option other than close reaching ,

surely your just looking for a big bstard assy kite rather than a zero ????



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by foaminatthedeck

Were just learning but it takes two people to get the J80 kite into the hatch at moment, can't wait to see what its like on a 12ft skiff


but the 12 has a bigger space to get it into than the front hatch on the J80! U the companionway, it's a lot easier!!


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Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 11:08pm

I used code zero in non litteral terms - im after a big deep kite to go solely downwind, as we only race windward leeward. Its just gona be a little taller than my current no1, well 1m taller sitting on a 9m mast.

J80 kite is only 5m or so bigger than my current kite - and that fits in the kite bin!  with alot of: TOM hurrrry up!!!

So after a big, deep, huge shoulderd kite to overpower us in 5 knots of wind!  Gona be awesum!

ps, prob gona be using a tornado main!



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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 11:36pm

Andy you can't cut a kite down properly.  If you cut the foot off it and stitch on a new clew and tack it will set like a bag of $h!te and probably stretch and tear.

Forget it mate, if you want a big kite I suggest you look for a big number 1 kite from down under and get Bob and Alan to stick it in the container.

There is NO WAY an 18 kite will fit, they are ENORMOUS.  See my picture on my 18 thread for 12 v 18 kite.

You might at a push want to think about a 16 kite...dunno how big they are???



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 12:59am
Originally posted by Iain C

Andy you can't cut a kite down properly.  If you cut the foot off it and stitch on a new clew and tack it will set like a bag of $h!te and probably stretch and tear.

Forget it mate, if you want a big kite I suggest you look for a big number 1 kite from down under and get Bob and Alan to stick it in the container.

There is NO WAY an 18 kite will fit, they are ENORMOUS.  See my picture on my 18 thread for 12 v 18 kite.

You might at a push want to think about a 16 kite...dunno how big they are???

Agreed, Chopping a Spi will not work !

 



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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 8:36am

I should have probably explained why...just look at the construction and the seams all radiate out from the areas of load.

The only way in which it would possibly deal with the load would be to cut it into three pieces so in effect you have a clew with it's radials, head with the same etc and then cut pieces off where the 3 pieces join and restitch.

That way, it might not fall apart, but it's absolutely guaranteed to look like a sack of $h!te!!!!!

I think you need to consign this idea to the same drawer as Aqua's 12 pole and Norfolk's air ballon kite!!!



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Sabre 27 "Summer Girl"
Foiling Moth GBR4093 "Beermoth"
1965 Flying 15 K797 "Braveheart"
Fireball GBR14110


Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 9:25am

lol when I said cut it down I was thinking like either you or ben did to an 800 kite - by taking a sliver out of the top 3/4 & re-stitch, hard to explain - i have a pic somewhere!! Other plan is to have one made, or try and find one from a big rig 12!

Aquas pole, it worked - prob only had a little more flex than simons, but granted a little long and too bendy & Norfolks ballon kite, haha - silly B14 kites! Least it was nothing like Tinners, "THE BALOON" haha! But it got us twining in dick all wind & these were the days before "new rules"!!!

ps I wouldnt cut down an 18 kite! Think im gona speak to a sail loft about this one - my original question was simply, is there a donor kite, like the 800 is to the cherub!! if not - im willing to accept that!



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-Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors.
Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff


Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 9:55am
Ben did his differently to mine.  He chopped the middle out to lose height, I just took a sliver off the leech, clew and head staying the same, purely to reduce the mid girth measurement to get it through.  At the head and clew the thickness of the sliver was 0mm, at the mid point it was about 20mm.  That will work becasue the head clew and tack stay in the same place, you are not trying to make the kite dimensionally smaller, or fit a smaller rig, it was just a measurement fiddle.

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49er GBR340 "20KSB"
Sabre 27 "Summer Girl"
Foiling Moth GBR4093 "Beermoth"
1965 Flying 15 K797 "Braveheart"
Fireball GBR14110


Posted By: chic
Date Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 10:10am

In general you can't cut down sails and expect them to work as they were designed to. Minor recutting of the leech of a headsail and cutting down such as Iain describes is about all you can realistically get away with for sails that are to be used for racing.

Forgive me for being pedantic, but with the direction it's taking shouldn't this thread be in the dinghy section??



Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 11:42am
Dont worry chris, this shouldnt be in the dinghy seciton as all I was asking was: is there a yachting kite which has a mast of about 9m and mast to tack of about 16ft which I can put onto my boat. I dont want to play around with re-cutting sails purely as Iain just described! Its only a trial rig.

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-Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors.
Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff


Posted By: chic
Date Posted: 26 Nov 07 at 5:13pm
Andy, good luck hunting for a suitable sail. You might have more luck on the J80 class association site if you think a J80 asy might be suitable. At 65sqm they're pretty big...


Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 07 Jan 08 at 3:25pm
LOL

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