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Topic: Best wipe-outs!
Posted By: headfry
Subject: Best wipe-outs!
Date Posted: 21 Dec 04 at 4:02pm

Hey any of you know of any good/great web sites showing sailing wipe-outs?

I saw, at a boat show, a vidoe of a big boat with a lovely red spinnaker hoisted doing something rather nasty.   Can this be found on a web site?

Lets create a clip library for those dull days...   

 




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Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 21 Dec 04 at 4:09pm
http://www.skiff.org.nz/movies.htm

need i say more?

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Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 21 Dec 04 at 4:33pm
http://www.spitfiresailing.org.uk/photos.asp


Spitfire demo video on Spitfire website

wait til the end - great wipeouts!

(big file, so broadband recommended)

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regards
Dr. Clifford

take two tablets twice daily


Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 21 Dec 04 at 4:45pm

Having problems opening these files, we do have braodband here. help!



Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 21 Dec 04 at 5:10pm
try downloading it then playing it - rather than
streaming it?

i have no idea, really!!

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regards
Dr. Clifford

take two tablets twice daily


Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 12:41am
Bethwaite.com for a superb bit of 49er pitchpole...


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 8:12am

http://www.hurricane59.com/gallery/default.asp?id=6 - http://www.hurricane59.com/gallery/default.asp?id=6

Will Sunnucks splatting his Hurricane.  I watched this happen and it was just a touch windy.  IIRC the annonometer at Grafham hit 45 kts in this gust.

 

And yes it hurt.

 



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Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 12:25pm

that is one of my favorite sequences of sailing photos ever!!!! well worth a look

http://www.hurricane59.com/gallery/default.asp?id=6 - http://www.hurricane59.com/gallery/default.asp?id=6



Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 12:36pm
Headfry the I think the boat your thinking of is Silk 2 pitchpoling under spinaker at Cowes. You may find it on the Beken site. They published the pics originally.


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 1:36pm

as you can probably tell I'm bored, here are some amazing wipeout photos guys!

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/18ftcrash.jpg - https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/18ftcr ash.jpg

or just go to

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/ - https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/

all of the photos on there are wipeout, there are loads, kept me amused for hours



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 1:40pm

headfry, i have found it, rogerd is right, it's silk2. here is the link to the image, took bloody ages to find it!

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/Silk2.gif - https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/schramm/www/sailing/wipeout/Silk2. gif



Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 2:23pm

Wow, what fun I have just had looking at those web sites....

Anyone know where I can get a beginers guide to KNITTIG

Many thanks Tgruitt and Rogered!  that is just the one I mean! big crash and burn!

wonder what happened to the boat? sorry, I should say sub!



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 2:36pm

you can but the video of Silk 2 pitchpoling, sounds quite a good watch!

http://www.boatbooks-aust.com.au/merchant.ihtml?id=3&step=2 - http://www.boatbooks-aust.com.au/merchant.ihtml?id=3&ste p=2

i have found that Silk 2 is a B&H designed 41footer, she was caught in 50kts of wind in the Cowes Week Regatta in 1996. She took two waves over the bow in quick succession which caused her nose to dig in dramatically. One man fell of the stern and the bow man clung on whilst being pushed some 4 metres underwater. Silk 2 then fell onto her port side and retired from that days race but won the britannia cup the next day!

 



Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 2:42pm

Crumbs Tgruitt thanks



Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 3:16pm
re unable to open files... do you have quicktime?http://
www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 3:32pm

Brian, no don't think I have quick time here! 

where and how did you get that snaz avatar?



Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 3:35pm
lets just say i am a genius. ok well, i sort of made it myself. its
really complicated and it would take me a while to write it... u
sure u want to know? it took me about an hour and a half to
make it

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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 3:41pm

Hmmmmmm guess i will stick to sail boats and not comp. programs

 cheers anyway, though I wish I had a good 'headfry' one  



Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 3:58pm
what does that mean?? i mean what does headfry sort of stand
for?

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Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 4:18pm
Silk 2 went on to vertical then gently slid sideways. I believe she sailed on to finish.


Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 4:42pm

Ever had a day,race, computer error, person even for that matter that's been a real head fry!

'done your brain in - fried your head trying to work it out, kinda meaning- in a nice way of course, it's not a nasty!



Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 22 Dec 04 at 9:14pm
so basicaly u want a picture of someones head exploding?

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Posted By: SimonC
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 9:30am

Maybe not someones head expoding but sponteneous combustion now theres an interesting topic!

http://www.glenbenson.com/unexplained/spontaniouscomb.jpg - http://www.glenbenson.com/unexplained/spontaniouscomb.jpg



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Anyone been to Phuket recently?


Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 9:31am

Goodness NO  

I quite like the avatar I have. It's close to what I am looking for! kinda cheeky, happy, confused look.... Guess I best leave this subject alone now. Though I will be looking to use a 'headfry' logo on my boat (when it get it!) I think you can get them printed at the boat show????

Head exploding...yes mine when I try to sail my 400 for the very first time, have only done about 30'ish hours dinghy sailing, inc.time spent on the RYA level 1&2 course!!!  see what I mean....it will be a real 'headfry'  but such good value entertainment for those at my sailing club.       



Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 5:17pm

Headfry, don't be tempted to go out if its too windy.  Also if you're on the margin just reach up and down until you get the feel for it and keep away from lee shores.  Hopefully you won't have to launch off a lee shore or come back into one.  Also practice using the dagger grip and tack facing forwards keeping you tiller hand on the stick, so that you end up sitting out but steering behind your back - and then swap hands.

Sorry to fuss but I want you to enjoy what must be the finest 2 man (person) dinghy - certainly its the fastest sitting out boat.



Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 8:18pm

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, don't know about that, Redback.

Point 1:  Finest 2-person dinghy?  (choke!) Try telling that to a 14 sailor, 505 sailor, or an FD sailor or a 470 sailor. I reckon if you did one of those customer satisfaction surveys, like they do for cars, then these would all beat the 400 hands-down. I've heard loads of 400 sailors moaning about their boat, but I've never heard of anyone sailing a 505 who didn't absolutely love it!

Point 2:  The RS400 (PY 952), is the fastest sitting out boat on the officially published PY list; but a 59er will be quicker, with a suggested PY of around 900.

Also, the handicap of a Merlin is 1024, but that's way too slow for the modern boats. Not sure if a Merlin is quicker than a 400, but it can't be far off. 



Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 8:40pm
By boat i think Redback probably meant dingy as opposed to a skiff!

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Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 9:27pm
a 400 isnt as fast as a 59er is it?

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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 9:55pm
Emm No Brian but probably nicer to sail!

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Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 10:03pm
impossible! nothing is nicer to sail than a 9er come off it!

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Posted By: hurricane
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 10:14pm
brian have you ever sailed one??


Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 10:18pm
of course!..... i mean ... no.
i have in spirit! cmon, who cares how comfortable or watever it is if ur blasting along?

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Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 23 Dec 04 at 11:09pm

Well, as it's already been established that no-one here can define what a skiff is, I don't see the difference between a 400 and a 59er. They are both assymetric, 2 person, sitting out sailing boats, except that a 59er is a bit faster!

I've never rated the 400 as having a particularly great handicap. It's okay, but not great. Merlins however, have a superb handicap. They must be pretty similar in performance.



Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 12:37am

What I was trying to say was that its the fastest sitting out 2 person boat.  Actually I deliberately ignored the B14 and I had forgotten about the 59er.  However after consideration I'd be prepared to stick to my guns.  I ignore the B14 because its a special case with very wide wings and the 59er I suspect is fast sailing deep downwind but pretty poor at most of the rest, (I haven't sailed one though).

The 400 on the other hand is good over a very wide wind range and sails up its handicap on most points of sailing.  I think one has to accept its a pretty remarkable boat, having no trapeze and yet faster than many trapeze boats.



Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 7:28am
Originally posted by redback

What I was trying to say was that its the fastest sitting out 2 person boat.  Actually I deliberately ignored the B14 and I had forgotten about the 59er.  However after consideration I'd be prepared to stick to my guns.  I ignore the B14 because its a special case with very wide wings and the 59er I suspect is fast sailing deep downwind but pretty poor at most of the rest, (I haven't sailed one though).

The 400 on the other hand is good over a very wide wind range and sails up its handicap on most points of sailing.  I think one has to accept its a pretty remarkable boat, having no trapeze and yet faster than many trapeze boats.

 

Because it does not fit your argument?  Come on, If I was to say that the Mini is the fastest car in the world because all the faster ones are special cases I would be ridiculed.



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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 9:46am

Just as well we all like different boats for many and varied reasons otherwise....... how big would the start line be, how dull would a regatta look if all the boats were the same. At the end of the day if it floats and has a sail then it's good, it may not win a race but it should be fun just the same.



Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 9:46am
Originally posted by redback

The 400 on the other hand is good over a very wide wind range and sails up its handicap on most points of sailing.  I think one has to accept its a pretty remarkable boat, having no trapeze and yet faster than many trapeze boats.



I sail 400 a fair bit, I like them and I think they're pretty much the ideal two hander for the middle sized reservoir my club is on. But boy, do they have a top speed problem. They're a real so fast and no faster boat.

But to be fair the hull shape and so on decisions that cause that also make them into a more interesting boat to sail in sub planing conditions than the skiff types. Basically though its an updated and somewhat detuned Merlin (never mind that pointless MRX thing) which very much explains its virtues and vices.

Lack of top speed does not make for a bad boat, it makes for a different boat, and like I said above, I can't think of a better twio hander for moderate sized inland venues. Its just that I've spent quite a bit of team hanging out the side on reaches wondering when the afterburner is going to kick in the way it does on my Cherub:-)


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 12:20pm
are you Jim that sails a blue cherub? Norweigen blue? Were you at the Mayflower Final Fling?


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by tgruitt

are you Jim that sails a blue cherub? Norweigen blue? Were you at the Mayflower Final Fling?

Yes,No,Yes

(Norwegian Blue is red at the moment, that's Lucy's boat (for now). Mine is the blue one in your photos.)


Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 24 Dec 04 at 2:43pm

ahh, it all makes sense now!

 



Posted By: Zacman
Date Posted: 03 Jan 05 at 6:40pm
Actually, my wipeout page just moved and I have added a few pics.  I am trying to get a thumbnail system setup so you can see each pic before clicking but I'm trying to find a script that will automatically update the pics when I add stuff.  Hopefully soon

http://slackbox.gotdns.com/wipeout/ - http://slackbox.gotdns.com/wipeout/

Enjoy



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