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Which dinghy for me ? Advice please.

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Topic: Which dinghy for me ? Advice please.
Posted By: *jdr*
Subject: Which dinghy for me ? Advice please.
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 2:04pm
Hi,
I am interested in getting into dinghy sailing but I have no idea which class to go for, there seem to be many!

I have a lot of experience on yachts (over 10,000 miles) and will mostly be sailing the dinghy single handed. I weigh 93kg and am 6' 3". I have no dinghy experience as yet.

I have been looking at Finn, Solo, Phantom but am not sure which to go for, or even if some other class is better. I am not too concerned about having a class race nearby as I am happy to enter handicap races.

Any advice please?



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Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 2:24pm
After reading a few posts here, I would also be up for a Cat...

Anyone know anything about the shadow class ?


Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 3:26pm
no, dont go to the dark side! phantom would be the best dinghy at your size, i dont know much about cats, i suggest asking in the "dinghy multihulls" bit.

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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318


Posted By: kevg
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 3:27pm

Roster 8.1 rigged Laser?

http://www.roostersailing.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=1&Product_Code=L81R&Category_Code=lpns - http://www.roostersailing.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen= PROD&Store_Code=1&Product_Code=L81R&Category_Cod e=lpns  

Vareo, for  asymmetric fun.

Kevin



Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:10pm
That 8.1 looks ok.

Now this is a silly question I know, bu as I said, I have never sailed dinghies. This hiking business..... That photo on the link looks mighty uncumfortable!

Is this required for ALL dinghy classes ?


Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:14pm
Originally posted by mike ellis

no, dont go to the dark side! phantom would be the best dinghy at your size, i dont know much about cats, i suggest asking in the "dinghy multihulls" bit.


Thanks Mike. In terms of relative cost, are phantom generally better priced than Finn? (if you know)


Posted By: Crafty
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:21pm

hiking is used on the most of the dinghy classes,

there are also trapeze boats where you stand on the side to keep the boat flat but thats a whole different kind of dinghy sailing i think

I think the phantom would be the best class for you



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Laser Radial/4.7 144929


Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Crafty

hiking is used on the most of the dinghy classes,

there are also trapeze boats where you stand on the side to keep the boat flat but thats a whole different kind of dinghy sailing i think

I think the phantom would be the best class for you


Ok, I guess I just have to get used to that.... hope the old back doesn't give !!

Another vote for the phantom.. thanks.  Any particular reason the phantom? I thought from my reading the finn would be recommended most.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:35pm
JDR,

You might want to consider a Blaze as well as a Phantom, much less of a handful and you can get a competitve Blaze for around £1500 whereas a competitive Phantom is more likely to be around £3k and then you have the joys of insuring a boat with a carbon mast (unless you opt for a tin rig).

The Blaze carries weight well, is comfy when hiking due to the rack that you sit out on. I used to sail a Laser and always felt awful the next day with sore legs and lower back, since I got the Blaze no more of that (and it does cream the Phantoms on a reach )

Just my personal view of course...

Aside from cost though there is little to choose between them. You might also want to consider an OK.

Paul


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Paul
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D-Zero GBR 74


Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:39pm
Try an RS300 if you can get hold of one. That'll easily carry your weight. Also a comfortable boat to hike from. Check out RS300.com. Best bet is to arrange a few test sails in each of the classes that interest you.


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by *jdr*

This hiking business...Is this required for ALL dinghy classes ?


All entry level ones. The boats that don't are very much advanced level and you would get immensely frustrated trying to sail one straight from a yacht. How far you hang out depends on how much you want to win and to an extent the style of boat. Boats with a bit more height off the water (Phantom/Solo for example) are a bit more civilised for sitting out at 75% of max than a Laser. At 90% plus it makes no difference.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 5:58pm

Originally posted by dics

Try an RS300 if you can get hold of one. That'll easily carry your weight. Also a comfortable boat to hike from. Check out RS300.com. Best bet is to arrange a few test sails in each of the classes that interest you.

He is a beginner...a 300 is NOT a beginner's boat! Mind you, the Phantom and Blaze will be somewhat testing for someone who has never sailed before, too.



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Firefly 2324, Lightning 130, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446


Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 6:08pm

What about a supernova? Not too sure on price or how easy it is to sail but it looks good. I think the max crew weight may be 90kgs so prehaps the rooster 8.1 might be a good choise for a year until you could get a better boat.



Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 6:41pm
Well as this seems to be a general plug for each posters class,

GO Finn! the original heavy buggers boat, handles well in chop, lots of fun in a breeze specially with a nice carbon mast, and they don't all cost the world.

And as an ex yachtie you'll appreciate the massive metal centreboard that keeps you upright!


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Finn GBR 657 - Blown It
Laser 164635
Planet Earth: 30% Land, 70% race course!


Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 07 at 10:39pm

Ok is the boat, great trainer for the Finn, quicker then a solo, lessof a handfull then a phantom (trust me i have owned one) you can fit pussy pads so hicking is easy, cheap boat, cheap parts!!!  Forget the supernova

 

Oh and did i mention my ok is for sale now



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Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 9:47am
Thanks everyone for advice.

I am of to my local clubs this weekend to try a few of their dinghies out. Unfortunately, they don't have any finns. So will be restricted to trying phantoms and solos.

Cheers.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 10:37am
Where is local for you jdr, I am sure some of the people here will let you have a (supervised) play....

Paul


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Paul
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D-Zero GBR 74


Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 11:34am
Originally posted by jeffers

Where is local for you jdr, I am sure some of the people here will let you have a (supervised) play....

Paul

Local for me at the moment is Cotswolds water park.


Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 12:04pm
a goslow (solo) might be a better option than a phantom as a decent phantom is quite expensive (as has already been said). the only solution is to go to the club and talk nicely to people to see if you can have a go. another good idea is to call class associations, they should be able to organise a test sail for you.

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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318


Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by dics

Try an RS300 if you can get hold of one. That'll easily carry your weight. Also a comfortable boat to hike from. Check out RS300.com. Best bet is to arrange a few test sails in each of the classes that interest you.

He is a beginner...a 300 is NOT a beginner's boat! Mind you, the Phantom and Blaze will be somewhat testing for someone who has never sailed before, too.

Hmm. I did say “try”. Yes, but before I bought my 300 most of my sailing was racing on X99 and Sigma 38. I sail a few months in two classes of dinghy and then I bought the 300 and never regretted it.

And to be fair *jdr* with 10,000 miles under his belt probably knows what he's doing.

This thread has highligted that there are many classes to choose from and he should give all the ones that appeal to him a go. Then buy what you like. Simple.

 



Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 1:01pm
Completely new to dinghy's? I would suggest you do some basic RYA courses to set you on your way.

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Ross
If you can't carry it, don't sail it!


Posted By: *jdr*
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Ross

Completely new to dinghy's? I would suggest you do some basic RYA courses to set you on your way.

Thanks. Yeah, I've spoke to the local club and am probably going to do a level 2 course sometime soon. Probably just need to get some experience of the differences between dinghies and yachts and I should be OK. My sail trim is not perfect but it is better than having no experience at all.

The thing I am looking forward to about dinghies is having to be more aware of my trim as I would imagine it matters much more on a dinghy.

Cheers.


Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 15 Jun 07 at 6:38pm

Originally posted by *jdr*


The thing I am looking forward to about dinghies is having to be more aware of my trim as I would imagine it matters much more on a dinghy.

Cheers.

Yep you have got it in one Be prepared to get very wet for a totally different reason to why you get wet on a yacht.

Have you also considered your clothing requirements? They are differnet from what you have been used to wearing on the yacht.



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Bonnie Lass Contender 1764



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