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Topic: A Few questions + photos
Posted By: Thunderchild
Subject: A Few questions + photos
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 4:59pm
Has anyone got any tips for rigging up a two man boat for singlehanding?
I need to try and rig up the trapezes to aid getting out easier!
I am up at Queen Mary
Also i am looking for someone to make me sone wing material for the Moth- any ideas anyone??

A few photos of my current fleet- All of these under £500 bargains!!







Chris


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Currently
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Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp



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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 5:08pm
Graham Caws seems to come up a lot when looking at moth tramps, mine are made by him I think and they are top notch.

As for setting up a doublehander for singlehanding... moving the trap elastic further back would be the first move. Kickbars to help getting out and moving the controls around to be easier for only one person to reach would probibly be next in line if you wanted more perminant changes.


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Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 03 Nov 06 at 5:09pm
I'll try caws- Southamton isn't it.
 Want to get it out on the oggin asap!!


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Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 04 Nov 06 at 9:29pm
the oggin? queen mary's a jumped up puddle not "the oggin"

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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318


Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 3:33pm
true but it is at least big enough to have a good practice beofre getting it out on the open oggin! lol
Cant really do coast hopping on a puddle either.
Had a good go on the 5o5 today- blowing a good 3/4 and after fitting my rs700 tiller ext got out on the wire- who needs a crew anyway! lol




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Currently
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Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 5:54pm

What design is your moth?



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Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 05 Nov 06 at 8:19pm
It is a magnum 5. A fat moth i think they call it.




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Currently
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Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 12:47pm

Send photos of single handing an FD!  Preferably with kite up!  Sounds fun.



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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 2:12pm

I've seen an FD singlehanded before. (Indeed I had a go myself while my helm was trying to restring the kite halyard, At Queen Mary incidentally.) With the Continuous trapeze it is fairly easy but tacking does take some thinking about, especially if you have the Genoa out. 

I have seen the contender sailors put a piece of plastic piping over the rope ajuster so that the hooking on can be done one handed. Fine in a one sailed boat, but good luck with the Genoa as well (especially in the FD). you Might be a little short of hands. Not sure exactly what it is they do, but it'll be in a photie somwhere.

If you have a spiro and your sheets are long enough you can fly the kite singlehanded. As you can launch the pole and kite as two seperate operations. This may require some tweaking with the rope lengths.

But for the proper FD experiance And a hand with the sheeting in you will need a crew at some point.



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Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 2:54pm

I trust you mean force threequarters.

 

I'd be pretty amazed if you could hold down a 505 in a 3 to 4 , as theys designed for 23 to 30 stone and a High performance boat , if they aren't fully powered up in those winds I doubt anyone would bother to sail them .

Otherwise you must be bladdy big , bin the moth on that account

 

 



Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 5:15pm
i am 16 stone and 6'5 so i have to be a bit liberal in spilling the wind out of the main. On a broad reach though it is a truly amazing expeience. I had her planing to the centreboard case. Also as mine is a very old (1961) boat, the jib is more forward (as it has no chute) and seems to be a bit less powerful than if it had a good overlap with the main as my last one did.
The moth is a magnum 5 and has a high boom- the plan is basically when the wind gets too much for me to take the other heavies out I can go nicely with the moth. Anything over a 4 is fine. If it was a narrow one - then i would be definately too big for that! lol
As far as being fluid with singlehanding the 5o and the FD- it needs a bit of practice but i can tack and gybe it quite well now. Just takes a while to get sorted back out on the wire. My FD doesn't have the continuous system which i think makes it a bit easier. IMO the FD does seem to be a bit more forgiving than the 5o!! Not nearly as tippy in irons.




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Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 5:36pm
Originally posted by Jamie

 With the Continuous trapeze it is fairly easy



Whats a continuous trapeze


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http://www.bu22.co.uk">BUZZING IS FUN



Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 5:45pm
it is a sort of J hook attached to the trapeze line which has a peiceof elastic to the other side. The plan is that you never unhook off it as the elastic pulls the J hook onto your harness when you transfer sides. It is supposed to make it easier for the crew to get out on the side quicker and with less hassle.

photo for you




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Currently
TBC!


Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 9:20pm
i was wondering that... but if anything goes wrong doens't it mean you are always attached to the boat: for the better or for the worse

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RS 500 (twin wire)
Laser 157607
Laser 85446
Pico 2136


Posted By: Thunderchild
Date Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 9:43pm
no worse than being attached with a normal system- you still use a regular harness.



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Currently
TBC!


Previously
Flying Dutchman K220
Int Moth K3822 Magnum 5
1961 5o5 Parker built K1305
Phantom K99
Europe K156
Unicorn K1065
Dart 18
5o5
Laser K5450
Enterp


Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 07 Nov 06 at 10:21am

"i am 16 stone and 6'5 "

 

aah I see !,

 

I'm a gentle 18 stone but a 6'2" dwarf - sail a two man cat but with shorter rig.

know where your coming from , in fact I had many moons ago an ole Skol moth - big dish , which just about took my slimmer 14 stone then !

 

 



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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 07 Nov 06 at 4:35pm

Originally posted by sailorguy

i was wondering that... but if anything goes wrong doens't it mean you are always attached to the boat: for the better or for the worse

The Only thing different about the harness from conventional trapeze to continuous is a little piece of elastic that you lift over the end of the hook to retain the the trapeze gear in the harness hook when there is no weight on the trapeze, while crossing the boat etc. It is easy to release. (I use the punch it free method.) At an FD event with measurers they can technically ask you to demonstrate that you can release youreslf whole sale from the trapeze system within a short time. ( I think either 5 or 10 seconds but I'm not sure.) The only people who ever get asked to do this would be someone with a wacky trapeze system or a shoulder harness (There are stil some about.) 

I had to jury rig a conventional trapeze system to an FD the other weekend because one of the J hooks failed. And trust me with a Genoa the size of an FD you just barely have enough hands to sheet it home and bang out on the wire in a reasonable order.   

 



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Posted By: No. 5
Date Posted: 09 Nov 06 at 7:04pm

What's a shoulder harness?



Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 09 Nov 06 at 8:31pm
I learned to trapeze on a really old FD (I mean old in 1974) which the owner often sailed/cruised to the IOW singlehanded! What a lovely boat it was too. They were considered hard to sail fast/up to handicap even in those days, though! Very easy to sail, you understand, but to sail them as fast as Rodney, for example,; that was another matter!

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