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Topic: wacky races
Posted By: Phil eltringham
Subject: wacky races
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 12:14pm

Haggis' last note on the olympic forum suggeting a 420/470 hybrid reminded me of a story from my old club.  It involved two oppy hulls and an international 14 rig, single-handed!  Aparently it was the brainchild of the man that went on to design the RS700, Alex Southern.  I have never been able to meet the guy to find out for sure but it sounded like fun. 

Anyone else been out modifying boats, trapezing lasers?, asymetric toppers?, (wasn't there an oppy with an asymetric in Y&Y a couple of years ago?) piccys would be cool, would make a good feature in the mag.



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Posted By: Claire
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 2:54pm
At my club a couple of guys tried an Spinaker on a Pico - Sure looked
like fun. Sorry no pictures.


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 3:45pm

Had an idea a while back to race Hurricane 5.9's against Dart 18's with no handicap thus :

Start a race at Grafham with hurricanes and D18's and the hurricane(s) sails for 100 minutes around a square course and then a chase boat drops a bouy. Hurricane then sails to the shore, de-riggs and loads the boat onto the trailer and checks out at time 'X' at the gate at GWSC.  D18 does the same distance and heads in (approx 17 minutes behind in SCHRS) de-rigs and does the same. 

Drive to Rutland and re-start the race with no handicap so the dart needs to sail for 118 mins and the hurricane for 101.   

 

The Slower Dart 18 should be quicker to rig and unrig and so gain time of the 5.9.

Would need someone to ensure that the trailers were road-worthy and secure before leaving Grafham......

 

 



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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 3:51pm

now that is a cool idea!!

Only thing is, there could be issues if the wind suddenly increases or decreases for the dart



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Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 4:22pm
the dart also has a motorway advantage due to
weight!

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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 9:04pm

Originally posted by Doctor Clifford

the dart also has a motorway advantage due to
weight!

 

Urm.....I can tow (in Germany) as fast as I dare with my scooby....

I'd added the time points at the exit of GWSC and entry of Rutland to negate any speeding etc .....



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Wanna learn to Ski - PM me..
I also talk sport http://www.letshaveachat.com - here


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 18 Aug 04 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by Phil eltringham

now that is a cool idea!!

Only thing is, there could be issues if the wind suddenly increases or decreases for the dart

 

No change there then.....



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Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 19 Aug 04 at 9:50am

Talking of the 420 / 470 hybrid does anyone remember a boat called the Toptimst? (an Opi with a Topper rig)

Now that was weird...



Posted By: fizzicist
Date Posted: 20 Aug 04 at 4:29pm
T'optmist? Wasn't designed in Huddersfield was it?!

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Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 05 Sep 04 at 5:05pm
BCYC has just taken delivery of some Toptimists with optional spinnakers.   



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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 06 Sep 04 at 11:28am
very cool!!!  Wonder what the handicap for it would be?  My guess is about 1200, if you can stop it going down the mine.

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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 30 Sep 04 at 2:57pm
And for my next trick.... currently working on putting a 49er rig on my B14, should be cherub-like in that the missing 2&1/2 foot of hull length should make for an interesting bear-away.  any donations of an old rev.5 rig much appreciated. 

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Posted By: Gael
Date Posted: 06 Oct 04 at 9:49am
Originally posted by Doctor Clifford

the dart also has a motorway advantage due to
weight!


lIghtweight boats should come with a warning - the problem is it's too
easy to forget they're there... not good if you go past a man in blue.


Posted By: merlin2349
Date Posted: 07 Oct 04 at 12:29am

We attached a Fireball mast and sails to an Express, it worked quite well..

certainly got a few funny looks off of the fireball sailors on Ullswater



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Posted By: merlin2349
Date Posted: 07 Oct 04 at 1:09pm

 there you go an express and an 'ex-ball'



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Posted By: 405man
Date Posted: 04 Nov 04 at 7:45pm

 

     Dude!

Y dont someone just put an ultra 30 rig on an 18 and then put some foils on just to kick some serious slow boat butt!!

 look at sum pics of aussie 12ft skiffs then times that by 10 that would be coll

 



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 30 Nov 04 at 12:26pm
I'd heard that during development of the Magnum 8, Claridge built a Moth using the front bit of an 'A' class cat hull to prove you didn't need any stability.

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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 30 Nov 04 at 4:40pm
had a thought today, anyone ever taken a flying fifteen and swapped the keel for a daggerboard to see how fast it would go (given all up weight would be down by about a quarter)?

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Posted By: malawirich
Date Posted: 01 Dec 04 at 11:58pm

I have made some fairly stupid machines, most break pretty soon after being lanched. However the highlights are the old classic of a laser full with an assymetric and a trapeeze. Mast broke.

Then an Dart 18 hull (with no tramp, couldn't find it) with a breeze 6.0 spinniker and racks added. We took it out in a 4 and it flew, gybing was fairly hard running across the beams but fun. If you ever do this don't ever dig the rack in as the boat stops and you don't.




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