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Topic: C-Class
Posted By: ModifiedC-Class
Subject: C-Class
Date Posted: 27 Apr 06 at 8:28am

I have just purchased Emma Hamilton the ex Little Americas Cup C-Class cat and was wondering are there any other C-Class cats still being sailed in the UK?

 



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 27 Apr 06 at 4:51pm
WOW - that is a MASSIVE jib!!!!

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Posted By: ModifiedC-Class
Date Posted: 27 Apr 06 at 4:56pm
The 800sq ft assymetric more than makes up for it ! 

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Posted By: jon2005
Date Posted: 27 Apr 06 at 6:49pm

graham at the club has got one

 



Posted By: mickymouse
Date Posted: 05 May 06 at 11:58am
hi, what sailing club would that be ? I like to see Emma Hamilton and other C Class in action. I do no that Champman Sands SC had one belonging to Rod Mc Alpine named Hellcat and John fisk won the Little Americas Cup in it. There's some information at http://www.cs-sc.org.com - www.cs-sc.org.com (The Club /History) I'm interested in the track record of Hellcat and its were about's, would appreciate any info.       


Posted By: mickymouse
Date Posted: 05 May 06 at 12:06pm

 Sorry that was at   http://www.cs-sc.org.uk - www.cs-sc.org.uk



Posted By: ModifiedC-Class
Date Posted: 05 May 06 at 12:33pm

Emma Hamilton is at Calshot Cats http://www.calshotcats.co.uk/ - http://www.calshotcats.co.uk/

another of our club members has Ocelot the 1969 challenger which is undergoing restoration ( hurry up and finish her graham would be nice to have somebody to race )

Emma is a Hellcat derivitive known as a 3S although she would now, prob be unregognisable to the original crew as she has been constantly updated and modified through out her life she now sports a 50ft rig and carries over 1300sqft of sail originally she had 300sqft

The book catamaran sailing to win by Chris Wilson & Max Press has a lot of info on the early C-Class battles and they state that the first Hellcat was owned by one of your club members Ian Norris who sailed her in the second challenge with  Nickie Pope

 



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Posted By: ModifiedC-Class
Date Posted: 05 May 06 at 12:38pm

The boat that John Fisk and Rod McAlpine/Downie took to New York for the first challenge was Hellcat 11 it is believed that they left the boat in the States hence Hellcat 1 being pressed into service for the return match back in the UK

below is a pic of hellcat 1



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 05 May 06 at 2:25pm

Try and find "Catamaran Racing" by Reg White and Bob Fisher for all the info on the 1960's C class racing.

And dead of night go and steal Lady Helmsman back out from Falmouth Maritime museum!

 



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Posted By: mickymouse
Date Posted: 06 May 06 at 10:38am

Thanks for the info, I will obtain the books. Ian Norris rings a bell. I joined Chapman Sands back in the mid 70s but don’t recall him, he must have left the club by then, I have work, live and play with catamarans in Germany for the last 15 years, but when I make my next visit to my club I will turn over a few rocks for more info.

 

I’m Promoting and Demonstrating the Topcat Catamaran at CSSC over the weekend of 17th, 18th June, and free from there until 23rd     when its possible that you guys are about in this time I like to drive down to Calshotcat sailing club for some 1st hand info or maybe its better on my next visit Sunday 17th July, when Ocelot is finished to see them in action.

 

When I had time Rupert, I would go to the Maritime Museum for a trip down memory lane, there must be some good old story’s to be told, that is the problem with today’s people, there life style and attitude  theses times should not be forgoton                     



Posted By: ModifiedC-Class
Date Posted: 06 May 06 at 11:07am

E-mail me mailto:mr.p@lineone.net - mr.p@lineone.net nearer the time and if I am available we can sort out out a date to give you a ride out on Emma if you would like.

By the way the info on Ocelot on your club website is wrong, Ocelot was the UK boat not the Danish boat she was hastily prepared using Lady Helmsman's Wing rig after it became apparent that Lady Helmsman was structurally shot! 3 years of defending the cup had taken there toll

Ocelot was not a great success the hulls being from an older unsuccessful Reg White C-Class from a few years earlier, the hulls lacked rocker and she was extremely slow to tack. Ocelot lost the cup to the Danish boat Opus



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Posted By: mickymouse
Date Posted: 09 May 06 at 7:40am
Hi thanks for the offer,l'll look forward for a spin on Emma. Had a look at Calshotcats website / Gallery looks a friendly,relaxed club with lots of fun.Like the idea skirmishes to the bars, would that be on H/C or first to the bar buys the beer, when so I would reduce the sail area on Emma. Iv passed the info re C Class CSSC website on . 


Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 11 Feb 07 at 12:12am
One of the original Hellcats from 1961/62 still in perfect condition, pictured taken with Reg White at the helm in Aug 2005.  Boat kept at Cushendall Co. Antrim N.I. Great boat to sail.




Posted By: Dermot M
Date Posted: 11 Feb 07 at 10:02pm

Originally posted by johnb

One of the original Hellcats from 1961/62 still in perfect condition, pictured taken with Reg White at the helm in Aug 2005.  Boat kept at Cushendall Co. Antrim N.I. Great boat to sail.


Peter Emmerson, who used to sail Tornado's in the UK, met up with Reg after the Spitfire Europeans in Cork in 2005, and travelled North to meet up with John McLaughlin and sail the Hellcat. Below is part of an article I wrote for Afloat Magazine in 2004.

In 1962, two years before the formation of the Irish Catamaran Association (As the IMA was known up to 1984), the McLaughlin family from Cushendall went to the London Boat Show and bought a Hellcat catamaran. This magnificent 25ft by 14ft catamaran, sail no. UK 3, built by Reg White, is a sistership of the C Class catamaran which won the “Little America’s Cup” for the UK in 1961. This year, John McLaughlin came out and raced the immaculate Hellcat with the latest modern catamaran designs at the Irish Multihull Association’s Northern Championship, hosted by Cushendall Sailing and Boating Club on the 29th & 30th May. Amazingly, 42 years later, most of the modern catamarans racing were also built by the same Reg White, of White Formula.



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Posted By: gary145
Date Posted: 11 Feb 07 at 10:20pm

ive said it before, when will we have an article on Reg White in the mag

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Posted By: rhaco3547
Date Posted: 14 Apr 11 at 4:39pm
Hi There All
 
I am looking for assistance or a like minded soul / souls to restore and put to competion a lost C class catamaran that was constructed between approx 1956 and 1962.
 
Anyone intrested in having a look at her or more check out ebay item number   290555984423
 
or go to our website below
 
http://sites.google.com/site/catenateproject/ - http://sites.google.com/site/catenateproject/
 
have a good day
 
Rob
 
Ps thanks To Steve the owner of "Emma hamilton" who through his contact made me aware of this forum
 
 


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Posted By: Invictus
Date Posted: 25 Mar 13 at 2:07pm
The condition and location of the old Brit C cats seems as confusing as ever. 

L helmsman. NMMC. NOT SAILED in many years

Hellcat 1, 2, 3. One has gone to Canada. I think this is 1. There's another in Northern Ireland, and the owner contacted me only for me to lose his details

Ocelot is still around, USA I think

E Hamilton was at Calshot, again, I have lost details of the owner

I want to see what kind of interest there is in some of these boats coming to Falmouth in sept

Norman


Posted By: johnb
Date Posted: 25 Mar 13 at 9:13pm
Hi Norman

Got your email and you have probably seen the pictures of UK3.  The boat is still as original right down to the sheets and pulleys, sails etc.  

I have it housed in a special boat house which forms the lower area of our home.  Amazing piece of kit, a few years ago we had Reg White visit and sailed the boat with us.  He could not believe the condition and really enjoyed the day.

If you have any particular questions please let me know.

john McLaughlin






Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 25 Mar 13 at 9:56pm
Originally posted by Invictus


Ocelot is still around, USA I think


Ocelot was stored at Maidenhead SC until recently. I believe it may be somewhere around the Solent now.



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Posted By: FcH
Date Posted: 15 Feb 14 at 11:44am
Dear Sir,
As I see on a forum, Yachts & Yachting, Emma Hamilton C-Class catamaran is in your Club.
I am writing a book : on the history of the International Catamaran Challenge trophy,  
“Little America's Cup“ history (in English and French) for the next even in Lac Leman in 2015 (last in Falmouth sept. 2013). I research the lines, deck and sail plans of all the boats.
As in my others books, I redraw all the contenders.
Is it possible to get a copy of the lines, deck and sail plan of  the C-Class Emma Hamilton1965  from the owner.
The book will be published this year, so I am in a hurry to find all the documents.
Best regards
François Chevalier
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Posted By: FcH
Date Posted: 21 May 14 at 5:08pm
For my book on Little Cup, I research a good photo of the page 796 of Yachts and Yachting, October 9, 1970, where I can see details of Quest III boom and Sneiper deck arrangement.
Many thanks if anybody get this number.


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