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Topic: For fun or for winning?
Posted By: 29er397
Subject: For fun or for winning?
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:22pm

the 29er is generally a southern sailed boat and we are in the very north with the closest fleet with 8 boats about 2 hours away. to have any decent chance of going anywhere in the racing scene we will have to travel down to the southcost an awfull lot (approx 9 hours!). this is very hard as neither of us can drive and we rely on parents who have lives of their own. (probably more commitment than is possible)

we have 2 choices:

1. travel most weekends to other sailing clubs to train and race with other 29ers and hopefully improve our results steadily. (sailing for results basically)

2. Sell the 29er and buy a 49er, considering we are 15 turning 16 and both approx 65 kg and we sail on a very gusty lake this will be a challenge but also one hell of a laugh, we would travel a bit and do the nats and scottish skiff racing circuit, (not sailing for results but just to go fast and have fun!)

my question is; do we have a chance of doing well in our class or would it just be best to go for the more leisurely option? anyone got any advice?

cheers




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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:31pm

having fun is the most important thing and if u enjoy sailing the 29er dont change!  i would recomend changing into a 49er if u want the racing side of it.  we have considered it before and being 16 myself i dont fancy my chances not cos of ability but just cos of lack of money personally.  good luck with what ever u do



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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:37pm

to be honest we would definatly prefer to sail the 49er if it was for fun (they go like sh*t off a shiny shuvel when it isnt upside down- that when we will be sailing it lol) the 29er is a bit boring (slow) but as it is the youth class if we were to go for the racing side it would seem sensible to go through the youth process then move up into the 49er later.



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:39pm
its all about fun in the end, no point in winning if your not enjoying it and you should sail whatever YOU want to sail be that 49er, 29er or Cherub...

Edit: whoops, did the C word slip out? sorry lads...


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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:41pm
yer we thought it would slip out  but go for fun before anything!!

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:43pm
lol we have been considering the cherub as an option - sounds like a great class to get into - and who dosnt like the smell of epoxy 24/7 lol.


Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:44pm
ok cherub guys give him the info!!!

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:45pm
iv sailed against em a couple of times - theyv been to kielder sc a couple of years running. but any info would be welcome.


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:48pm
p.s our price range for a new boat would be 4000 max really which is slightly flexible (dad wont be able to retire for a little longer! )


Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:49pm
well if you tell us what you want to know about cherubs i'm sure we can answer ur questions

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Posted By: Pondling
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:55pm
you could stay in the 9er for a while n move up after getting some good results so you leave on a high. are you in any squads? but u might want to stay in the 29er for the ISAFS next year...

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 6:57pm

what would i expect to pay for a competitive twin trap? (not including maintanaince costs) erm... any others pearls of wisdom would be welcome - nothing in particular.

 

we are in the scottish national squad - not sure if itll last long as there is only 3 youth boats in the country and 1 of them has just left the squad, and next year both of the other 2 boats will no longer be youths. i think this will be the first and only year of the RYA scottish 29er squad



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by 29er397

p.s our price range for a new boat would be 4000 max really which is slightly flexible (dad wont be able to retire for a little longer! )


Aquamarina has just come on the market for 5200 if you can stretch that far...

Any of us are quite happy to blab about cherubs for england but you should know most of what we'll say just by checking out http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/ - THE SITE If you want to ask anything specific fire away or dig up our MSNs...


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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 7:05pm

cheers guys - see who wouldnt want to be part of such a friendly class ill get back 2 u on that 1



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 7:06pm
oh yeah and... w000hhh go cherubs!!

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Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 08 Mar 06 at 7:58pm
I would not describe sailing a 49er at 130Kgs fun, more like wet and expensive! Speaking from experience...

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 5:56pm

Originally posted by Jon Emmett

I would not describe sailing a 49er at 130Kgs fun, more like wet and expensive! Speaking from experience...

any change in class will be hapenning at the end of the 2006 season, and as we both have at least an extra 2 inches to grow in height and i expect we will both fill out a fair bit maybe not fully by then but im sure we will be bigger. the wet part is half of the fun, but the exspense isnt so fun. we also considered an rs800 which would definatly be more suitable but considering tom crewed for 1 for a year when he was 14 i think we fancy a chalenge (not that it wouldnt be).

the fact that we will be chainging class at the end of the season, i would be suprised if aquamariner stayed on the market for that long. 5000 would be the very upper limit of the budget and even then dad would need alot of persuasion.



Posted By: nathan
Date Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 7:42pm
more than just being wet.. more akin to banging your head against a brick wall.. and paying copiously for the pleasure!!


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 8:05pm
if i wasnt confident that we had enough skill to sail the boat then i wouldnt even think about it, obviously the upper limits of wind strength that we could sail in would suffer because of our weight, but we will grow into the boat, we may be light but arnt short arses!


Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 10:59am
even though i hate to say it.  a cherub would probily be your best option there is no point getting a 49er and everytime there is a f4-5 u just get spanked.  at least u will be able to sail the cherub.   

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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 11:36am
Luke, I'm shocked!


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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by carshalton fc

even though i hate to say it.  a cherub would probily be your best option there is no point getting a 49er and everytime there is a f4-5 u just get spanked.  at least u will be able to sail the cherub.   


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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 4:29pm
Not quite so bomb proof...

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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 4:56pm
I would of though it was a tad more resistant than a cherub 

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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 8:14pm

Originally posted by Strawberry

Not quite so bomb proof...

I suppose you have to let the main off first



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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 8:16pm

Originally posted by carshalton fc

even though i hate to say it.  a cherub would probily be your best option there is no point getting a 49er and everytime there is a f4-5 u just get spanked.  at least u will be able to sail the cherub.   

 Luke !!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 10 Mar 06 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by les5269

Originally posted by Strawberry

Not quite so bomb proof...

I suppose you have to let the main off first



If peoople insist on putting cleats on mainsheets...


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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by les5269

Originally posted by carshalton fc

even though i hate to say it.  a cherub would probily be your best option there is no point getting a 49er and everytime there is a f4-5 u just get spanked.  at least u will be able to sail the cherub.   

 Luke !!!!!!!!!!!!!

yer i know i think i am getting a soft spot for cherubs but i still  my 4tonner

well on most boats they have mainsheet cleats, but they are shockly poo poo



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 9:53pm
29erXX????
Even if it does sound like a bra size


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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 11 Mar 06 at 10:02pm

Originally posted by Prince Buster

29erXX????
Even if it does sound like a bra size

Big bra !! Maybe it's the new way of sizing a kite



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 8:11pm
or make it the 29er xxx and then it could be a european porn movie!!

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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 12 Mar 06 at 10:05pm
European?? is that just you're preference luke? Oooh la la!

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 10:59am
well its better than likeing geman guys voices.  well i just tought it sounded european.

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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 4:31pm
crap....didn't see that one coming  but its a gd idea.  Sounds like a lot more fun than a 29er and i think the general opinion here is that you'd be wasting you're time on a 49er with that weight.  I think it would be a good stepping stone towards it tho.

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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 13 Mar 06 at 4:48pm
Have to agree with the last few posts, the 29erXX might be your best option. If you have a 29er just now, converting the boat would not cost as much as going into the 49er. Get a few seasons in it then sell the boat with two rigs for a higher price than what you'd be selling it for just now. The major bonus is the 29er is configured pretty much the same as the 49er and learning to sail the XX would most likely help you to be a very confident and competant 49er sailor instead of really struggling at the back of the fleet.

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 8:41am

ok, i know we are way underweight at the moment, but i have said that the time we do change will be at the end of this season, by which time we should both be taller and a bit more beefy. what is about the minimum crew weight for a 49er? what can i say - i am ambitious!

i think i would prefer an rs800 to a 29er xx due to the fact that the rs is an established class with a good racing scene whereas the 29er xx is just starting out.

tom may be going more seriously into windsurfing now so if i cant get another crew it might have to be a rs600 or contender for me

i am pretty sure that we will eithger be moving into a 49er or a cherub for next season depending on how e fill out and how well the weights training goes, and if i still have a crew next year.



Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 8:51am

Beening the correct weight for the 49er makes getting the boat handling issues sorted a lot easier. So I guess you should aim for around 148Kgs. However you could probably get away with 142Kgs but it would not be ideal!



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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 10:06am

If your not convinced you have a commited crew I wouldnt even consider the 49er personaly. As much as I hate to say it the 29xx would probibly suit you best for the moment.

If your looking at singlehanders give the moth a look in too



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Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 10:40am
In my experience strength and stamina are more important than weight in boats like these.  In the 49er you will be looking to spill wind nearly all the time, even if you are normal 'adult' size so you have to be able to play the sheets constantly no matter how heavy you are.  This is really quite demanding physically and as a 'yoof' you will not be fully physically mature yet.  I had an ISO when I was 17 and really struggled, not beceause we were light, but because after 45 minutes my arms would cramp up (but then I'm not that great a sailor anyway!).


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 14 Mar 06 at 5:35pm

i helmed an iso for half of last season (14) and i think i coped fairly well (beating a 49er on the water in one race - not to blow my own trumpet). my bro crewed the same boat a year before (13) before moving up to crewing an rs800 for last season.

as far as the 29er xx goes im would much prefer to go on the rs800 circuit as we would just be on the weight range with the equalisation. the only thing tipping the balance between these two is the fact that the 800 has an established racing scene which is growing.

as far as the crew is concerned, if we are still sailing together he will be comitted otherwise i will be in a singlehander.



Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 10:57am

I don't think it will take too long to establish a 29er XX circuit and with your previous 29er experience and the impetuosity of youth when not get one and set your self an unrealistically high tgt, like winning the first Nats and work like deranged idiots to achieve it.  Now that is a CHALLENGE.



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 4:30pm

i imagine the 29erxx would be best,  as a "younger" person like yourself i can understand why u want to go into the 800 and 49er but sometimes u need to think about things like maintence cost etc and if u get the 29erxx u will aready have the boat just need to get the rig and if u breack something on the rig u can always swap for the old rig as a back up.  Also once u have mastered the xx u can jump into a 49er or 800 and u are less likely to swim all the time and breack things. 



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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 5:55pm

ipersonally have no doubt that we could handle an 880 even now. Tom has already had a years crewing experiance in one and his helm was only the same weight as i am now, they coped very well, not achieving too many good results due to the helm's extremely bad arthuritis, but not too many breakages.

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.



Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 6:13pm
If you want an 800 then go for it.  But personally i would think the 29erXX would be more fun to sail anyway.

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 15 Mar 06 at 6:59pm
Originally posted by 29er397

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.

yer course it will take off it is designed by jelien bethweight and made by ovi it has to be a hit 



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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 8:50am
Originally posted by carshalton fc

Originally posted by 29er397

you have made some valid point about the 29er xx but do people really believe it will take off? i have my doubts, but i may be wrong.

yer course it will take off it is designed by jelien bethweight and made by ovi it has to be a hit 

agreed



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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 5:49pm
Ben made a valid point earlier in the thread, the 5K is another option. The boats are really cheap, give you all the basic skills for the 49er and give you basically the same basic racing skills.The boats are roughly the same size, have similar sail areas and I reckon the class will be building up again. From personal experience, the boat in some aspects is more physically demanding due to having higher sheet loads and bags for the kite. The 5k is more stable, as  the 49er is lighter and carries a little more sail area. However, being young will mean that the extra agilitity the 49er demands shouldn't pose too many problems especially after sailing 29ers for a bit. There are quite a few 49er sailors planning to double up and sail at 5k events this season so that shows a good indication for the boat too. Plus with the 5k, you won't have major maintenence issues. If crew consistancy is a problem, the 800 might be very worth a look too.

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 16 Mar 06 at 10:37pm

i would have thought it would be strenth we lack in as youths not agility.

we have narrowed it down to 3 options:

1. cherub

2. rs800/29erX

3. 49er - depending on how much we grow etc



Posted By: Skiffman
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 10:26am

Not saying that your not good enough or anything but a 49er is a very difficult boat to sail. I do not sail one but I am getting one this year because this is my last year as a youth in the 29er. If you look at the 49er guys that come out of 29ers it takes them a fair while to get up to a reasonable level at boathandling and not pissing it in a every bear away etc.

Personnally I would say sail a 49er first and sail it in a reasonable breeze aswell just to see what they are like. I would say get a 29er XX, after sailing one at the Europeans this year they are awsum. We were probably a bit to heavy at 142kg but it was very quick - you keep up with 49ers downwind in 14 knots you just sail a higher angle and upwind they a rapid. Once people get expreianced in them and sort out rig settings etc they will be faster than an RS800.

It would not be strength it would be endurance and aerobic fitness. There is not to much strength required compared to other boats but you do have to work the whole time. Ever tryed hoisting a 49er kite - easy the first time and then they seem to get considerable slower each time.

I would go for the 29er XX after sailing it.



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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 12:04pm
I think that they are all potentialy good choices,

Cherub;
If you are interested in tinkering with more than just the string parts of a boat then the Cherub is the boat for you. sailing something that you have built or modified yourself is a unique thrill. It is slower than the others but feels livelyer and feels faster. There are some good boats availible second hand at the moment. The problem is that you wont get much class racing.

29erXX
Bethwait has a habit of turning out pretty good boats and with the time taken to develop the rig the XX is probably not going to disapoint. The way the class goes could vary a lot depending on how it goes at the roumored trials for a new womans Olympic class. If it gets accepted and you have an XX rig then I do not think you will loose much money on it. But putting an XX rig on may depreceate the value of the 29er hull.

49er
They seem to be growing at club level at the moment but unless you are able to put in a lot of time on the water together I think you could start to get frustrated as if you only get out erracicaly it could feel like taking two steps forward and slipping one back. They give the impression of being expensive boats to run, you go through a lot of rope and gloves in a season.

RS800
Probably the eisiest to sail, but you are stuck with the helm doing the main which is an old fashioned setup and seems a backward step coming from the 29er

Laser 5000
Not called the five tonner for nothing the heaviest with the most primitive rig, the sheet loads are something else. Unless there was another few 5000's at your club I would avoid it.
If you only had the cash availible for an old boat then I think you would be better off getting an old Int 14 than a 5000.

If you can get a sail in as many of them as possible as that is the best way to make your mind up.


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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:15pm

Basically, Granite has summed it up. However I'd choose the 5000 over an old 14 because its an SMOD and you don't have the further developed boats over-shadowing it within the class, if you have the ability in the 5k there's nothing to stop you winning the opens in an old boat. General running costs for the 49er can be blown out of proportion, we've had our boat since 2004 and only had to replace one mainsheet, two gnav arms and a block for one of the control lines through general wear and tear. Reckon that's well under 200. If you get a decent boat with good inventory of sails and spares they don't cost too much to keep running. Insurance is the only bad point, know of 3 49ers getting quoted around 500 ecah this season. If you are confident but air on the side of caution with the boat initially, it isn't too bad, basically be confident with your boat handling skills but don't jump in to the deep end and go out in big winds until you know what your doing. A lot of the boat handling skills can be picked up off Higher and Faster, had a really good crew step onto the boat with little experience of her before and was up to speed because he'd studied the manouveres on the DVD.



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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 4:48pm

yer, you've all made very valid ponits. we have organised a go in a cherub we hope for april, and we have already sailed an rs800 together, im not too sure about the 5000 and im pretty sure we wont be getting into one of them. does anyone know when the 29erX rigs will be available? i think we would prefer a one design to an old 14 basically because of the disadvantage we would have over the newer boats in the class and we dont hav the funds to upgrade to much. If we are lucky there might be a couple of 49ers at the kielder scottish skiff event in april so we will try and blag a ride if we can. i supose to make a proper decision we need to try all the possibilities.

thanks

you've all been a great help



Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 5:10pm
The 29erXX rig was planned to be released in March, best phoning Ovington Boats to find out. If you and your crew are 65kg each, the 49er might not be too bad an option, we sailed her with me weighing 70kg and a crew weighing 60kg but both of us were over 6ft which helped with our righting moment due to extra leverage. Sailing now with combined weight of 148 kg and the boat seems more comfortable but it can be sailed at 130kg. Main problem you'll have just now is there aren't many 49ers being sold for less than 5000 and that's before you insure it. Noble do the best policy for the boat though.......

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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 17 Mar 06 at 5:18pm

see this is the type of thinking i can get along with - a bit more positive lol. but yer, we are both 65 kg and 5'11" so by the end of this season we should both be roughly 6 foot and a couple of kg heavier. if my older bros are anything to go by, we can both expect to be 6'2"+ and 75kg before to long, admittedly the 'boat handling hump' of the 49er will be a big one to get over but i have the confidence that we could do it. It all just depends on what happens in the nest few months. thanks again.



Posted By: TimF
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 8:49pm
Anyone else seen the target handicap for the xx.  I saw 820 which is quicker than the rs800

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Strawberry


If peoople insist on putting cleats on mainsheets...


First thing I did on my Blaze...get rid of the jammer. Just get a decnt pair of gloves and use a powerball to build up grip and arm strength.

Much more controllable!


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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 12:48pm
yer we got rig of the cleat on the main on my 4k.  and just added a "phat" 76mm rachet works a treat  

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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 1:52pm
Mainsheet cleats are a disaster waiting to happen.

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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 8:16pm

We bent the jammer down slightly on the 5k so we'd still remain class legal with equipment and it was still there if we ever needed.



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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 8:55pm
Mainsheet cleats are a bitch!!  The worst experience i've had with one was when i was sailing an ISO (which, incidently are pigs!) at my club and the crew forgot to hook on and swung out and......splosh - leaving me to capsize nice and fast with spinni up too cos i couldn't unjam the mainsheet from the frikkin cleat!
Then, not content with just chucking me out, the b@$tard sailed into Southend pier!   


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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 9:13pm

Originally posted by Prince Buster

Mainsheet cleats are a bitch!!  The worst experience i've had with one was when i was sailing an ISO (which, incidently are pigs!) at my club and the crew forgot to hook on and swung out and......splosh - leaving me to capsize nice and fast with spinni up too cos i couldn't unjam the mainsheet from the frikkin cleat!
Then, not content with just chucking me out, the b@$tard sailed into Southend pier!   

Sounds more like the consequences of clumsy



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Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 9:25pm
Les.....going on recent experiences......I think no comment from you would have been better there

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49er 908


Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 9:41pm

Originally posted by kasey3000

Les.....going on recent experiences......I think no comment from you would have been better there

Ha Ha good one BUT...... I wasn't driving



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49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 9:50pm
Is that better or worse Les? It's still your boat!

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RS800 GBR848
Weston SC


Posted By: kasey3000
Date Posted: 27 Mar 06 at 10:06pm
yeah.....and you do most of the work on the boat! you always say it...dont change that now just cos it suits!!!

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49er 908


Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 29 Mar 06 at 2:59am
.........adds a little bit more weight to how important us helms are. My crew makes a few mistakes and we can compensate for it. When I decide to mess up we go swimming

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Helensburgh S.C
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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 12:59am

Fergus

Going back to your 1st post you are to light for a 49er the ideal weight is about 150kg. but you could get away with 140kg

Keilder is fine for a 49er me and my crew adam sailed one at the dam to dam last year.

I would give it a year or two in the 29er then if you get bigger and better then move into the 49er

Regards

Ian

Ps have you used the tiller extensions yet and how are they?



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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 5:23pm
yer, we have used the tillers quite a few times and i'm very with them, makes gybing so much easier! thanks very much.
only thing about staying in the 29er is the lack of class competition up here and without the boats to sail against it can get a little boring unless its blowing a gale! we will see how we do this year, and then make a decision at the end of the season.


Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 9:47pm

49er would be good if you get a bit bigger by the end of the year. I would not go for an 800 from a 29er. The helm would enjoy it but the crew would be bored with out a main sheet to play with.

It is a shame there is a lack of boats up north but it will be like that in most boats up there. we were lucky for a few years that we had 4 of the fastest musto skiffs in the country at Sunderland (kev Anderson 1st nats 2004 Ian Trotter 1st nats 2005 martin Boatman 3rd nats 2004/05 and me 2nd worlds 2004 and 2nd nats 2003) but that has faded away with kev going kite surfing martin getting a 49er and I have moved to Southampton.

So I say It is best to go with what you enjoy and hope other people see it and get one to. or buy a laser so you get good racing. but why would you want to sail one of them!!!!!



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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk


Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 9:55pm
get a laser!!

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Contender 518
Buzz591
Chew Valley Sailing club
Bristol


Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 31 Mar 06 at 10:00pm

that is what i was saying they hurt and dont even go fast. what is the point!

Much better to stand on the side hurts less and you go faster



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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 25 Apr 06 at 8:25pm
this will be a big deciding factor (apart from the fact that the boat is more than a lil bit boring), how much can you expect to be forking out for a 29er campaign in an average year? considering gear costs, travelling costs etc

we worked out that for our 5 weekends of scottish squad training through out the winter dads wallet was well over 1000 lighter


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Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 25 Apr 06 at 11:35pm

depends on how much traveling you do? that was allways my biggest expence when I lived up north!

looked like a good event at keilder at the weekend shame me and adam could not make it this year. uni comitments and a hole in are new 14 did not help



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Ian (Bov) Turnbull
18ft Skiff Ronstan UK
http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk


Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 26 Apr 06 at 8:48pm
we wuold be looking to do the nats, youths, and class open series.

it was a shame you couldn't make it. it was a gr8 event and 32 skiffs made for a good fleet. the musto's made and impressive turnout of 16 considering it wasn't a class event. shame i got blackflagged on sat though and i got a go in possible boats for next season on the sun when the racing was abandoned. so i had a good time specialy with a 10th overall.


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