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Topic: 12 footers
Posted By: *Poke*
Subject: 12 footers
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 9:55pm
When will someone build a 12 foot skiff in this country!!!!!!

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:00pm
if u want to give me the cash i will build one....

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Posted By: *Poke*
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:14pm
If i had the money

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:20pm
Weve had this before...

UK cherubs measure as 12s and can race with them anytime you fancy shipping one to the southern hemisphere. Our new rigs are the equivelant of their no3 rigs with slightly smaller kites and at least one, and I think possibly 2 cherubs have 12 footer no2 rigs they play with every now and again.

So to answer your question your gonna have to specify you you define '12 foot skiff' If it has to have a badge on which states it, wait a few years untill we get some imported. Otherwise open your eyes and look closer


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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:36pm
The only difference now between UK Cherubs and 12 ft skiffs is that 12
footers have multiple unlimited rigs and there min weight is 40kg instead
of 50kg, UK Cherubs have a rig which is close to what a 12 footer uses
when the breeze is fresh.

We have limited sail area and limited the mast height to keep the boats
within a reasonable cost. We also don't have fixed bow sprits for practical
reasons.

I've said this before but most UK Clubs not having a skiff tradition can get
a bit narked with all us Cherub boys rolling over our boats to rig, if you
then combine that with another 20 ft of pole out the front space and
understanding is likely to become a big issue.

So for now anyone wanting to see what a 12 footer is like should get
onboard a 2005 rules UK Cherub. It's the closest thing you are going to
get this side of a 600 pound air fair or about 18,000 if you want to
build one.

Oh plus.... if you start off in a 2005 UK Cherub you might have a cat in
hells chance of being able to sail one!


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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

there min weight is 40kg instead
of 50kg,

12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit
Cherubs are 50kg but DO include the bowsprit and thier rigs weigh a lot less so theres not much difference at all

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

I've said this before but most UK Clubs not having a skiff tradition can get
a bit narked with all us Cherub boys rolling over our boats to rig, if you
then combine that with another 20 ft of pole out the front space and
understanding is likely to become a big issue.

Id definantly agree there, I have enough trouble finding space to roll the moth over some days: doing the same with the cherub is not something im really looking foreward too and thats without that huge fixed pole, and without swapping the entire rig everytime you got sailing to match the wind conditions.


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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 11:58pm

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

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I'll second that



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Posted By: jimmywalsh
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:31am

12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit
Cherubs are 50kg but DO include the bowsprit and thier rigs weigh a lot less so theres not much difference at all

Bowsprits weigh about 1.5- 2kgs,  masts weigh about 8-10 kgs so still about 3-4 kgs lighter, but that deosn't seem to make a huge difference, Riggin rolling over takes no more than 15 minutes on your side



Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 12:27pm
There is one effective 12 in the UK, a converted Cherub with a No2 12 rig from Fyfe in NZ. Nothing with a full size rig though. Its a gloriously fun boat to sail although not my personal taste for every week.

Go to fotoboat, look up[ the Cherub class page, go to the 2004 Nationals/Moth Eurpeans page and its the second from the left on the top row of the first page


Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 12:33pm

we should see if we can get a fleet of them and go and se if we can get a team to go and win the worlds

it would only proby take us 5 years to cach up with the AUS and then NZ



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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:15pm
I would usualy try to come out with some witty reply to the above post but im honestly speachless...

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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:25pm
like what

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:33pm
i think that something simple like 'idiot' would have been about right Ben.

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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:36pm
who me

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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 9:26pm
i think thats what he's hinting at

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Posted By: a_stevo
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:22pm

you could always pack the uk cherubs in a container and come on down. Sure you could organise to pick up some big rigs while you are here.

the next really big regatta is january 2007 in geelong

http://www.sailmelbourne.com.au/news/newsitem.html?news_id=2757 - http://www.sailmelbourne.com.au/news/newsitem.html?news_id=2 757



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:30pm
Its been mentioned a few times and you never know, it might happen...

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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:27am

Why don't you order some boats

Link for a builder, the pics are of "Roadkill"

http://www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html - http://www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html

Masts and hulls

http://www.c-tech.co.nz/ - http://www.c-tech.co.nz/

Masts

http://www.cstcomposites.com/ - http://www.cstcomposites.com/

Sails either from Fyfe or Gemmells

And you can go racing with the best kit, and take it home with you.

Or I know of 2 12s going for $500 with a road trailer



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Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 11:23am
Originally posted by Skiffe

Or I know of 2 12s going for $500 with a road trailer

Hey Skiffe, just sent you a PM.......  Want details of skiffs for sale.



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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 12:42pm
Err .... Dude we do already! Our boat currently has C-Tec spars and a set
of Ken Fyfes sails althought the Big Set and now from RED EYE's.

I was talking to Mr van Munster early / mid last year about a Woof / Road
Kill hull. But the build was getting a bit expensive by the time you add
shipping and import duty e.t.c, e.t.c

I'm not to keen on CST spars but there is at least one UK Cherub with
them.

But thanks for rasing the names alot of people over her won't of heard of
this seriously good kit.




Originally posted by Skiffe

Why don't you order some boats


Link for a builder, the pics are of "Roadkill"


http://www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html - http://
www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html


Masts and hulls


http://www.c-tech.co.nz/ - http://www.c-tech.co.nz/


Masts


http://www.cstcomposites.com/ - http://
www.cstcomposites.com/


Sails either from Fyfe or Gemmells


And you can go racing with the best kit, and take it home with you.


Or I know of 2 12s going for $500 with a road trailer



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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 12:50pm
A couple of pics before the sail size increase ( 2005 rules ) Fyfe and C-
Tec rigs.
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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:05pm
If you want to sail 12's in the UK why not start by buying a UK Cherub and if you enjoy it and want to do more then you can sell it without loosing much money and import a 12

if you decide that it is not for you then you will not have lost much money.


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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:20pm
Can someone actually tell me the difference between a 12ft skiff , an R Class, and a Cherub?  Ive always been under the impression that a 12 just has more sail area but what are the real differences?

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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 12:41am
look through some of the other threads its been explained enough times previously

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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 10:35am

Follow these links for the class rules and work it out for yourself.

http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php?menu=home - http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php?menu=home

http://www.skiff.org.au/images/pdf/NSW12ft_skiff_measurement_rules.pdf - http://www.skiff.org.au/images/pdf/NSW12ft_skiff_measurement _rules.pdf

http://www.rclass.org/info/rrules - http://www.rclass.org/info/rrules

Sorry but as you asked, your homework for tonight is to dissect the rules and post a reply, laying out the differences

 



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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 6:29pm
R's are 12-ft 9", No Min weight. Restricted to 13.5? upwind and kites
must fit in a circumference of X? can't remember that bit.

12's are 12-ft long ( they may have move to 3.7 metric ), 45-kg ( without
pole ) min weight and unrestricted sail plan.

UK Cherubs are 3.7m or 12-ft 1.4", min weight 50-kg (with retracting
pole), restricted to 15.5 upwind 21 downwind.

AU Cherubs are single wire with less sail than all the above and a load
more restrictions. Here's the AU Cherub site for comparison.

http://www.cherub.org.au

Like the other posters have said best to have a look at the respective
classes websites and find out the details.



[QUOTE=Prince Buster] Can someone actually tell me the difference
between a 12ft skiff , an R
Class, and a Cherub? Ive always been under the impression that a
12 just has more sail area but what are the real differences?<!--


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