12 footers
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: 12 footers
Posted By: *Poke*
Subject: 12 footers
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 9:55pm
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When will someone build a 12 foot skiff in this country!!!!!! ------------- RS600 781- im |
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:00pm
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if u want to give me the cash i will build one....
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: *Poke*
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:14pm
If i had the money  ------------- RS600 781- im |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:20pm
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Weve had this before... UK cherubs measure as 12s and can race with them anytime you fancy shipping one to the southern hemisphere. Our new rigs are the equivelant of their no3 rigs with slightly smaller kites and at least one, and I think possibly 2 cherubs have 12 footer no2 rigs they play with every now and again. So to answer your question your gonna have to specify you you define '12 foot skiff' If it has to have a badge on which states it, wait a few years untill we get some imported. Otherwise open your eyes and look closer  ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:36pm
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The only difference now between UK Cherubs and 12 ft skiffs is that 12
footers have multiple unlimited rigs and there min weight is 40kg instead of 50kg, UK Cherubs have a rig which is close to what a 12 footer uses when the breeze is fresh. We have limited sail area and limited the mast height to keep the boats within a reasonable cost. We also don't have fixed bow sprits for practical reasons. I've said this before but most UK Clubs not having a skiff tradition can get a bit narked with all us Cherub boys rolling over our boats to rig, if you then combine that with another 20 ft of pole out the front space and understanding is likely to become a big issue. So for now anyone wanting to see what a 12 footer is like should get onboard a 2005 rules UK Cherub. It's the closest thing you are going to get this side of a £600 pound air fair or about £18,000 if you want to build one. Oh plus.... if you start off in a 2005 UK Cherub you might have a cat in hells chance of being able to sail one! ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:45pm
12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit Cherubs are 50kg but DO include the bowsprit and thier rigs weigh a lot less so theres not much difference at all
Id definantly agree there, I have enough trouble finding space to roll the moth over some days: doing the same with the cherub is not something im really looking foreward too and thats without that huge fixed pole, and without swapping the entire rig everytime you got sailing to match the wind conditions. ------------- |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 11:58pm
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I'll second that ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: jimmywalsh
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:31am
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12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit Bowsprits weigh about 1.5- 2kgs, masts weigh about 8-10 kgs so still about 3-4 kgs lighter, but that deosn't seem to make a huge difference, Riggin rolling over takes no more than 15 minutes on your side |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 12:27pm
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There is one effective 12 in the UK, a converted Cherub with a No2 12 rig from Fyfe in NZ. Nothing with a full size rig though. Its a gloriously fun boat to sail although not my personal taste for every week.
Go to fotoboat, look up[ the Cherub class page, go to the 2004 Nationals/Moth Eurpeans page and its the second from the left on the top row of the first page |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 12:33pm
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we should see if we can get a fleet of them and go and se if we can get a team to go and win the worlds it would only proby take us 5 years to cach up with the AUS and then NZ ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:15pm
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I would usualy try to come out with some witty reply to the above post but im honestly speachless...
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Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:25pm
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like what ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:33pm
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i think that something simple like 'idiot' would have been about right Ben.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 6:36pm
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who me ------------- |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 9:26pm
i think thats what he's hinting at  ------------- |
Posted By: a_stevo
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:22pm
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you could always pack the uk cherubs in a container and come on down. Sure you could organise to pick up some big rigs while you are here. the next really big regatta is january 2007 in geelong http://www.sailmelbourne.com.au/news/newsitem.html?news_id=2757 - http://www.sailmelbourne.com.au/news/newsitem.html?news_id=2 757 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 10:30pm
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Its been mentioned a few times and you never know, it might happen...
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Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:27am
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Why don't you order some boats Link for a builder, the pics are of "Roadkill" http://www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html - http://www.vanmunsterboats.com/12ft%20Skiffs.html Masts and hulls http://www.c-tech.co.nz/ - http://www.c-tech.co.nz/ Masts http://www.cstcomposites.com/ - http://www.cstcomposites.com/ Sails either from Fyfe or Gemmells And you can go racing with the best kit, and take it home with you. Or I know of 2 12s going for $500 with a road trailer ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 11:23am
Hey Skiffe, just sent you a PM....... Want details of skiffs for sale. ------------- 
http://www.formula18alive.com - www.formula18alive.com |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 12:42pm
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Err .... Dude we do already! Our boat currently has C-Tec spars and a set
of Ken Fyfes sails althought the Big Set and now from RED EYE's. I was talking to Mr van Munster early / mid last year about a Woof / Road Kill hull. But the build was getting a bit expensive by the time you add shipping and import duty e.t.c, e.t.c I'm not to keen on CST spars but there is at least one UK Cherub with them. But thanks for rasing the names alot of people over her won't of heard of this seriously good kit.
------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 12:50pm
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A couple of pics before the sail size increase ( 2005 rules ) Fyfe and C-
Tec rigs. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:05pm
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If you want to sail 12's in the UK why not start by buying a UK Cherub
and if you enjoy it and want to do more then you can sell it without
loosing much money and import a 12 if you decide that it is not for you then you will not have lost much money. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 23 Jan 06 at 10:20pm
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Can someone actually tell me the difference between a 12ft skiff , an R
Class, and a Cherub? Ive always been under the impression that a
12 just has more sail area but what are the real differences?
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 12:41am
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look through some of the other threads its been explained enough times previously ------------- |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 10:35am
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Follow these links for the class rules and work it out for yourself. http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php?menu=home - http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php?menu=home http://www.skiff.org.au/images/pdf/NSW12ft_skiff_measurement_rules.pdf - http://www.skiff.org.au/images/pdf/NSW12ft_skiff_measurement _rules.pdf http://www.rclass.org/info/rrules - http://www.rclass.org/info/rrules Sorry but as you asked, your homework for tonight is to dissect the rules and post a reply, laying out the differences
------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 6:29pm
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R's are 12-ft 9", No Min weight. Restricted to 13.5? upwind and kites
must fit in a circumference of X? can't remember that bit. 12's are 12-ft long ( they may have move to 3.7 metric ), 45-kg ( without pole ) min weight and unrestricted sail plan. UK Cherubs are 3.7m or 12-ft 1.4", min weight 50-kg (with retracting pole), restricted to 15.5 upwind 21 downwind. AU Cherubs are single wire with less sail than all the above and a load more restrictions. Here's the AU Cherub site for comparison. http://www.cherub.org.au Like the other posters have said best to have a look at the respective classes websites and find out the details. [QUOTE=Prince Buster] Can someone actually tell me the difference between a 12ft skiff , an R Class, and a Cherub? Ive always been under the impression that a 12 just has more sail area but what are the real differences?<!-- ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |