Winder and Trailers?
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Topic: Winder and Trailers?
Posted By: JimC
Subject: Winder and Trailers?
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 5:10pm
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There's a report on Facebook that Winder have been convicted of selling trailers without type approval. So far I haven't seen an official announcement from DVSA.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 5:28pm
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https://www.boatingbusiness.com/news101/industry-news/boat-trailer-company-prosecuted ------------- Robert |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 6:19pm
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I think that's a different case. In much the same vein though, it seems DVSA are hunting down small trailer builders who are lax with the paperwork.
It occurs to me that small unbraked trailers might be appropriate for exemption from IVA and construction and use regs. Have to lookup if there's any way of proposing that. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 6:47pm
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https://www.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/get-in-touch/
------------- Robert |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 6:53pm
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Have found this on you.gov, haven't heard anything about this ? Off topic sorry https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/strengthening-enforcement-of-the-dangerous-use-of-recreational-and-personal-watercraft ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 7:49pm
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The judgement in full has been posted on many sites on fb. They should have known better . It was very stupid.It’s not like it was just a paperwork problem, they were selling trailers that did not conform to the regs ( no type approval) . These regs have been in place since 2014 , they have now got to modify 146 trailers at a cost of £30,000 if the official announcement is to be believed. Plus they were fined over £4000.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 8:14pm
But what actually needs to be changed on the trailers other than riveting on the correct data plate? |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 10:09pm
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No idea .But riveting on a data plate on 146 trailers isn’t going to cost @£30, 000. I would think there have been other things they haven’t been doing , ie lighting board arms, reflectors, extra lights etc .
I bought my last double trailer from rob at sovereign trailers in 2013 . He had been a manufacturer rep at meeting with the government department over these changes. And we had long conversations over these changes. The bottom line is it 7 years since these changes happened, there is no excuse for not following them in 2021 .
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 10:19pm
| That's about 200 quid a trailer. If they've got to be collected from all over the country and then delivered again I don't reckon they can be doing very much else to them. |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 17 Sep 21 at 10:33pm
If all is needed is the plate , there is no need to collect them. All you need is a man, a car and a rivet gun 
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 10:29am
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> man with car and rivet gun.
Who knows what the rules say is allowed. But even if that is allowed, add up the costs for pay, travel costs, hotel bills for the man with the car, time spent organising and contacting purchasers and so on, then consider how many - or rather how few - trailers can be done each day with the problems of getting access to trailers in locked club compounds, arranging things with owners who are getting nothing but inconvenience from this. And the owners will be put to considerable inconvenience, really they'd be morally entitled to some kind of payment and indeed some might not co-operate without. I have no idea whether any actual useful modifications will be required to the trailers, but at 200 quid a trailer there cannot be much. Winders are paying a hell of a price for what I bet is simply an administrative messsup. |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 10:43am
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Err what ever it is ,it’s not a simple admin slip up .They were selling trailers that didn’t conform to regulations, that is not a admin slip up. They either were doing it on purpose or they were totally incompetent. I am not sure what’s worse . Everyone in the industry has known about the rules since 2014 and that you need type approval. Hell even I know it I build a trailer in my garage ,I have to have a IVA before I can use it on the road . |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 5:24pm
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Why are Winder in the dock for this? They don’t build the trailers, they buy them inane sell them on. Surely it is the OEM’s responsibility to type approve them? What I do know is that I have a fully compliant trailer but never use those stupid cantilever arms any more. They are worse than useless.
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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 6:19pm
| Because they sold them , therefore it’s their job to check they have been TA . |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 6:43pm
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My company sometimes uses outside contractors when we are really busy, customers who have issues don't want to hear about contractors, (the job was given to us), to add to this, contractors price the job cheaper because we do the guarantee work, the buck stops with the retailer. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 8:24pm
| Hmmm, if a corner shop sells a tin of soup that has salmonella in it, whose at fault, Heinz or the shop? |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 8:33pm
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Big difference between a corner shop and a company that employs a large technical department and no unskilled staff. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 9:04pm
| Winder employ a large technical department?! |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 9:20pm
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Don't know wasn't talking about Winder. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 18 Sep 21 at 10:52pm
If it’s a Heinz tin it’s Heinz. But what if it’s a shops own brand tin that’s been made to the the shops spec that does not conform to the law , then it’s the shops responsibility. Winder sold it as conforming to the law, it didn’t . It was their job to check it did , they didn’t . The customers contract was with winder , not the third party manufacturer. There is no excuse for this , winder either did this knowingly or they were incompetent. As I said earlier I am not sure what’s worse.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 7:33am
| Anyone would think you work for one of Winder's competitors... |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 2:40pm
Or he's a trailer dealer with a bunch of warranty issues on his hands and he's just been issued a rivet gun and a map ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 3:28pm
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 3:45pm
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Don't know the details behind the Winder saga..........but The woefully bad design of combination jobbies for dinghies in general is worthy of a thread all of it's own, on this forum and others. If I was an orthopedic surgeon I would write a paper. |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 5:02pm
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Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 19 Sep 21 at 5:07pm
Lol no , happily retired . And yes I agree, lighting board arms are s@@t , that’s why I bought my last trailer in 2013. But that’s not the point, it’s the law . There are loads of laws I don’t like , I still have to follow them. But next time you need a second hand car I will sell you one without a valid mot, but tell you it’s legal to drive on the road. No need to worry about it after all, it’s just a administration error |