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Topic: So Many strings
Posted By: Mark Aged 42
Subject: So Many strings
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 2:34pm
So I watched a You Tube video last night. It featured a lady showing off her new Merlin, probably at the dinghy show. I have never seen so much string in all my life. Admittedly I am a Laser sailor, and so am bereft of a jib, spinnaker, trapezes, standing rigging et al.
But I am blown away by the complexity of modern 2 man boats.
I would be really happy if someone gave a list of all the strings, and what they do.
Cheers



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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 3:50pm
On My Phantom which is only a single hander I have
Forestay, lowers, downhaul/Cunningham, outhaul, Kicker all on each side and continuous.
yet to be fitted is flattener
Plus centreboard up and down also to both sides and continuous.
Merlin would also have shroud adjustment, jib cunningham and barber haulers on both jib and spinnaker plus i am sure a few more would be my guess.



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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 4:17pm
And a Merlin may have one string raking (which probably involves about a dozen strings but you only get to pull one if them...).

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Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 5:13pm
Have a look at at a modern 5o5 for a string-fest Wink


Posted By: Mark Aged 42
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by Chris_H

Have a look at at a modern 5o5 for a string-fest Wink

Accept the challenge - what do all the strings do?
I'm genuinely curious.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 7:48pm
Merlin? They need a load of string to hold them together.. really old boat class, used mainly by drunkards.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 8:21pm
Ignoring sheets, halyards and rudder up/down, i.e. anything that might be led to the thwart or side decks :-

Kicker

Cunningham

Outhaul

Inhaul

Centreboard (up)

Centreboard (down)

Rig tension

Mast rake (forward)

Mast rake (back)

Barber hauler (jib port)

Barber hauler (jib starboard)

Barber hauler (kite port

Barber hauler (kite starboard)

Traveller port

Traveller starboard

Pole out (x 2?)

Pole downhaul (x 2?)






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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 08 Apr 21 at 10:23pm
I saw one once, on a Merlin, very clever, one bit of string raked the mast adjusting the forestay and the shrouds and something else, lower mast ram maybe.

Every year for ten years I'd go to the dinghy show and test myself on the 505 stand to see if I knew what they all did. Even then I never got the difference between Downhaul and Cunningham.

Then I decided, length and number of string is just a penile substitute and in all probability the longer the string the smaller the dick(s).

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Posted By: Mark Aged 42
Date Posted: 09 Apr 21 at 8:56am
I have the occaissional brain overload when rounding up in the Laser - steer, board down, sheet in, kicker on, outhaul on and cunningham on. Some have adjustable toe straps.
But add into the mix kite down, jib barber hauler, jib sheet, mast rake, traveller, clip onto trapeze for some and the rest, surely you are halfway up the beat before its all sorted! 


Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 09 Apr 21 at 9:02am
Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

I have the occaissional brain overload when rounding up in the Laser - steer, board down, sheet in, kicker on, outhaul on and cunningham on. Some have adjustable toe straps.
But add into the mix kite down, jib barber hauler, jib sheet, mast rake, traveller, clip onto trapeze for some and the rest, surely you are halfway up the beat before its all sorted! 
The crew generally does all that other stuff. Thats why they are often unsung heroes... Clap


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 09 Apr 21 at 10:05am
Originally posted by iGRF

Even then I never got the difference between Downhaul and Cunningham.

Almost nothing. If the mainsail fits in a track on the boom then the clew is pinned at the inner end of the boom, and can't change position. So the downhaul function is provided by a second eye a few inches up from the clew.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 09 Apr 21 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by iGRF

Even then I never got the difference between Downhaul and Cunningham.

Almost nothing. If the mainsail fits in a track on the boom then the clew is pinned at the inner end of the boom, and can't change position. So the downhaul function is provided by a second eye a few inches up from the clew.


Briggs Cunningham was from the northern hemisphere. Not sure if Aussies and New Zealanders ever took to the name.

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Posted By: Mike Holt
Date Posted: 09 Apr 21 at 9:23pm
5O5's will only have a cunningham, as do all dinghies I can think of.. As to the length of the string.. That is just down to not cutting it to the right length. A modern 5oh appears to have lots of string as most controls are double sided, due mainly to the width of the boat and being able to adjust the controls while hiking. The purpose of them all being one thing, keep the boat at optimum power for the crew weight as the wind increases. Listing what they all do here, as best I can remember in order of importance:
3 halyards, Main, jib, spinnaker sheets, guys, pole launchers, Kicker, forestay, shrouds, ram(strut) up and down, cunningham, jib cloth, board up/down, jib lead in/out, pole up.


Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 11 Apr 21 at 10:09am
Don't forget the Merlin's pullers, tweakers and snodgers! Big smile


Posted By: Old bloke
Date Posted: 11 Apr 21 at 10:40am
Never, but never, forget the snodger!


Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 11 Apr 21 at 7:27pm
Whats a "jib cloth" Mike Holt?


Posted By: Mike Holt
Date Posted: 12 Apr 21 at 4:01am
The jib "cloth" is the halyard, for the sail, we don't have a downhaul/cunningham, that tack is fixed and we control the luff (cloth) via the halyard. It is built in to the forestay setup but we fine tune it. More as the wind builds!


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 12 Apr 21 at 5:21am
Natty Thumbs Up. You're zip luffs aren't you, clever. 


Posted By: Daniel Holman
Date Posted: 13 Apr 21 at 7:44pm
thanks Mike!




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